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[Dan]

This superior business really is nonsense.

-Every creature is made in Gds image, and is constantly kept alive through his will.

-Judaism is the only religion that believes that believes that every human can attain their ultimate purpose in life, and go to heaven, without converting to Judaism.

-Every religion believes members of their own religion to have an advantage over non-members, however Judaism is the only one that makes zero effort to get others to convert.

-Women play the ultimate role in each household's Judaism, proof is in the pudding, if she's not Jewish the kids aren't Jewish. And if she's lacking in faith, it's likely the kids will be as well. To say they're inferior in Judaism is utterly ridiculous, it's a different role and 99% of women are perfectly happy excelling in it. And many do better than the men who are more apt to leave the faith in the teenage years.

-There is too much emphasis in some NYC schools on denigrating non-Jews that's not seen in the upbringing of OOT kids and indeed in OOT DDF members. I think that's more an outcome of a very sheltered lifestyle where there's never a need to deal with a non-Jew than anything else.
You can be proud of Judaism without making a project showing that Jews are now higher than the category of humans. That's not part of Judaism I know.

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[zevmetz]

This superior business really is nonsense.

-Every creature is made in Gds image, and is constantly kept alive through his will.

-Judaism is the only religion that believes that believes that every human can attain their ultimate purpose in life, and go to heaven, without converting to Judaism.

-Every religion believes members of their own religion to have an advantage over non-members, however Judaism is the only one that makes zero effort to get others to convert.

-Women play the ultimate role in each household's Judaism, proof is in the pudding, if she's not Jewish the kids aren't Jewish. And if she's lacking in faith, it's likely the kids will be as well. To say they're inferior in Judaism is utterly ridiculous, it's a different role and 99% of women are perfectly happy excelling in it. And many do better than the men who are more apt to leave the faith in the teenage years.

-There is too much emphasis in some NYC schools on denigrating non-Jews that's not seen in the upbringing of OOT kids and indeed in OOT DDF members. I think that's more an outcome of a very sheltered lifestyle where there's never a need to deal with a non-Jew than anything else.
You can be proud of Judaism without making a project showing that Jews are now higher than the category of humans. That's not part of Judaism I know.

./02

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[churnbabychurn]

Mods  -please rename this thread to The funny/strange/interesting/random hashkafos thread!

What happened to this?

[ShlockDoc]

This superior business really is nonsense.

-Every creature is made in Gds image, and is constantly kept alive through his will.

-Judaism is the only religion that believes that believes that every human can attain their ultimate purpose in life, and go to heaven, without converting to Judaism.

-Every religion believes members of their own religion to have an advantage over non-members, however Judaism is the only one that makes zero effort to get others to convert.

-Women play the ultimate role in each household's Judaism, proof is in the pudding, if she's not Jewish the kids aren't Jewish. And if she's lacking in faith, it's likely the kids will be as well. To say they're inferior in Judaism is utterly ridiculous, it's a different role and 99% of women are perfectly happy excelling in it. And many do better than the men who are more apt to leave the faith in the teenage years.

-There is too much emphasis in some NYC schools on denigrating non-Jews that's not seen in the upbringing of OOT kids and indeed in OOT DDF members. I think that's more an outcome of a very sheltered lifestyle where there's never a need to deal with a non-Jew than anything else.
You can be proud of Judaism without making a project showing that Jews are now higher than the category of humans. That's not part of Judaism I know.

./02

Well said. Although there are many religions that don't require conversion. Hindus, nudists, Sikhs, for example.

[Baruch]

-Every creature is made in Gds image..

Nefesh Hachaim Shaar Alef shraybt nisht azoy

[good sam]

-Every religion believes members of their own religion to have an advantage over non-members, however Judaism is the only one that makes zero effort to get others to convert.

What's the hemchech from the first part of the sentence to the second? I agree that we don't have missionary efforts; to the contrary, we make efforts to turn away converts.

But if Judiasm doesn't have an advantage over other religions, why do you stay Jewish? It's a whole lot easier being Buddhist if you think they're equal.

[ShlockDoc]

It's a whole lot easier being Buddhist

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[Baruch]

Anyone with a half a brain knows that women are superior to men.

Try being a mother for an hour.

Women are born with a superior personality.

There's a reason why the mother gets the children in a divorce.



Recognizing the above, the Torah gave less commandments to a woman - 1 - she doesn't need more to perfect herself, as everyone knows they're born more perfected, 2 - being that she is born more giving and patient and loving, she is more qualified to be the homemaker, and frankly doesn't have time for so many commandments.


This is not explaining away the Torah for modern hashkafa. It's pashut!

[cholent]

Anyone with a half a brain knows that women are superior to men.

Try being a mother for an hour.

Women are born with a superior personality.

There's a reason why the mother gets the children in a divorce.



Recognizing the above, the Torah gave less commandments to a woman - 1 - she doesn't need more to perfect herself, as everyone knows they're born more perfected, 2 - being that she is born more giving and patient and loving, she is more qualified to be the homemaker, and frankly doesn't have time for so many commandments.


This is not explaining away the Torah for modern hashkafa. It's pashut!

Couldn't agree more

[good sam]

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I'll need an explanation for that one...

[Dan]

Nefesh Hachaim Shaar Alef shraybt nisht azoy

I have enough holy people on my side to stand by my statements.

[Dan]

What's the hemchech from the first part of the sentence to the second? I agree that we don't have missionary efforts; to the contrary, we make efforts to turn away converts.

But if Judiasm doesn't have an advantage over other religions, why do you stay Jewish? It's a whole lot easier being Buddhist if you think they're equal.

Where did I say that Judaism doesn't have an advantage?

[good sam]

Where did I say that Judaism doesn't have an advantage?

It has an advantage but it's not superior?

[avremie]

אתה בחרתנו..אהבת אותנו ורצית בנו ורוממתנו....

[Baruch]

I have enough holy people on my side to stand by my statements.

The Torah itself seems to say like you. (Because Adam was not a yehudi).

The mifarshim ask the above on the Nefesh HaChaim. There are various tirutzim.

Who are the holy ppl who say like you?

[Dan]

It has an advantage but it's not superior?

Not what I said either. Read it again.

[Dan]

The Torah itself seems to say like you. (Because Adam was not a yehudi).

The mifarshim ask the above on the Nefesh HaChaim. There are various tirutzim.

Who are the holy ppl who say like you?

Basic tenet of the BS"T and chasidus.

[Baruch]

Basic tenet of the BS"T and chasidus.

They say explicitly that an aino yehu has a tzelem elokim?

[Aaaron]

My basic synopsis on the subjects:

The Torah teaches - either blatantly or via intimation - that Jews are superior to Non-Jews, and men are superior to women.  Now, there are 3 different ways to approach those ideologies. 

1:  Embrace them, ala CBC and others here.  And anyone who dares challenge the notions or wrangle them into some other meaning is watering down Yiddishkeit [and is probably OO].  Frankly, I understand where this group comes from, as it's not hard to believe that the Torah, which even commands genocide, would also preach superiority and misogyny. 

2:  You then have those that try to justify them or twist them into another meaning, i.e. different but equal; women are more perfected (which is irrelevant since the Torah still gives them less rights and inherently less value); we're all going to the same Olam Haba if you live properly (even though many midrashim, rishonim and achronim say otherwise), etc.

3:  Lastly, you have those that pick and choose which parts to believe.  OO, Orthoprax, or plainly unobservant. 

[David Smith]

The Torah teaches - either blatantly or via intimation - that Jews are superior to Non-Jews, and men are superior to women.   

-1. The Torah teaches that being Jewish is superior to being non Jewish, and so on. Big difference, and a big hang up point for some people.