Yehudi>Medaber>Chai>Tzomeach>Domem?

[Baruch]

That's a copout IMHO.  This entire forum is full of posts of people claiming to know God's will.

G-d wrote a big book describing his will, of course people that study that book know his will.
 

[SamKey]

Just found this from R S Wolbe

[ADG]

Notice that in the Jew category you do not have Jews. You have Mitzvos! Mitzvos are Godly... (It is also not a racist thing because the Jew stands superior not by inheritance but by fulfillment of the Godly commandments and when he does not he is lower then all creations.)

[good sam]

Notice that in the Jew category you do not have Jews. You have Mitzvos! Mitzvos are Godly... (It is also not a racist thing because the Jew stands superior not by inheritance but by fulfillment of the Godly commandments and when he does not he is lower then all creations.)

But inheritance is the prerequisite.

[ShlockDoc]

G-d wrote a big book describing his will, of course people that study that book know his will.
 

Even if you assume that god wrote the book.  All that is outside the book is human driven (even if divinely inspired).

[Brian93]

Even if you assume that god wrote the book.  All that is outside the book is human driven (even if divinely inspired).

[ADG]

But inheritance is the prerequisite.

excluding conversion?
Plus it is based on action and way of life not inheritance! Hence if a jew is misbehaving he is worse the a animal. It is more like with great responsibilities comes the superiority.     

[ChaimMoskowitz]

G-d wrote a big book describing his will, of course people that study that book know his will.
 

Where can I get a copy of this book, library maybe Amazon?

[coralsnake]

Where can I get a copy of this book, library maybe Amazon?

Both

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Both

The problem is I am confused on which book to get. There are Muslims at my work that claim the Quran is G-d's word. They even claim since its inception not one word has ever changed in any Quran ever published. I was astounded by that until I found out there was a war fought over the Quran to get rid of the different versions. I am a little skeptical when anyone claims their book was written by G-d.

[coralsnake]

The problem is I am confused on which book to get. There are Muslims at my work that claim the Quran is G-d's word. They even claim since its inception not one word has ever changed in any Quran ever published. I was astounded by that until I found out there was a war fought over the Quran to get rid of the different versions. I am a little skeptical when anyone claims their book was written by G-d.

Theyre all available

[ShlockDoc]

The problem is I am confused on which book to get. There are Muslims at my work that claim the Quran is G-d's word. They even claim since its inception not one word has ever changed in any Quran ever published. I was astounded by that until I found out there was a war fought over the Quran to get rid of the different versions. I am a little skeptical when anyone claims their book was written by G-d.

Even the Jewish book had disparate versions. Ezra the Scribe resolved them with some editting.  Even today there are differences in scroll content (albeit it slight) between Jewish communities of different backgrounds.

[aygart]

Even the Jewish book had disparate versions. Ezra the Scribe resolved them with some editting.  Even today there are differences in scroll content (albeit it slight) between Jewish communities of different backgrounds.

Just to clarify what it means by slight. These are differences in the spelling of words with zero affect on the actual content.

[Ches]

The problem is I am confused on which book to get. There are Muslims at my work that claim the Quran is G-d's word. They even claim since its inception not one word has ever changed in any Quran ever published. I was astounded by that until I found out there was a war fought over the Quran to get rid of the different versions. I am a little skeptical when anyone claims their book was written by G-d.

There is no other religion claiming that g-d gave them his book, in front of 600,000 people except for Judaism.

[David Smith]

The problem is I am confused on which book to get. There are Muslims at my work that claim the Quran is G-d's word. They even claim since its inception not one word has ever changed in any Quran ever published. I was astounded by that until I found out there was a war fought over the Quran to get rid of the different versions. I am a little skeptical when anyone claims their book was written by G-d.

Ultimately it comes down to belief.

[ShlockDoc]

There is no other religion claiming that g-d gave them his book, in front of 600,000 people except for Judaism.

But you need to be a believer to believe that happened. It's a circular argument.

[Baruch]

But you need to be a believer to believe that happened. It's a circular argument.

An event in front of 600,000 is not a make uppable event.

That's the whole point.

http://www.aish.com/jl/p/ph/Did_God_Speak_at_Sinai.html

[aygart]

But you need to be a believer to believe that happened. It's a circular argument.

One difference is in the way the torah is written that Moshe tells the Jews "you were all there" and even today everyone is told by their parents/teachers how this was passed from generation to generation that our ancestors were there and saw it themselves. That is significantly more difficult to fabricate.

HT: R Avigdor Miller's books. Read them I think you may find them intellectually stimulating and thoughtful. I am sure there are arguments to made against much of what he writes but overall he makes a lot of sense.

[ShlockDoc]

An event in front of 600,000 is not a make uppable event.

That's the whole point.

http://www.aish.com/jl/p/ph/Did_God_Speak_at_Sinai.html

Heh?  Why couldn't it have been made up two thousand years ago?  I'm not saying it was. I just never understood this "proof".

[Baruch]

Heh?  Why couldn't it have been made up a thousand years ago?  I'm not saying it was. I just never understood this "proof".

read the article I linked.