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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2015, 07:31:54 PM »


Translation for CM: This is a poster in an Orthodox school illustrating the pecking order of creations. On the top are Jews, then Gentiles, then animals, then vegetation, and then inanimate objects.  Sigh.

This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.



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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2015, 07:33:21 PM »
Yes but you have no say in what religion you are born into.
What does that have to do with religion?
Religion is part of the environment you were brought up in. Therefor people people born into different religions will not have equal chances of behaving similarly. I'm not saying that one will be better than the other...

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:05 PM »
I might be wrong but I grew up OOT and I nor any of my friends ever felt that way. I think it is a Brooklyn-type school setting that had that problem. Even in my sons school in 5t,  the principal regularly speaks to the kids (and parents) about how we must treat everybody, especially the secular teachers, janitors, kitchen staff, etc. with upmost respect and has very little tolerance for kids who don't. Kids are taught that they should say good morning, thank you, etc. to everybody, even passing people on the street.
In regards to that we are chosen, higher, or whatever term you want to use, we (me, my siblings, classmates) were always taught that it means that we are held to higher standards. While 'others' might use vulgar speech, dress inappropriately, be disrespectful and so on, since we are Yidden, we don't do those stuff, speak that way, etc. It is in no way to put other people down, just to reinforce that more is expected from us.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:10 PM »
This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.

That's such an apologetic answer.  Were you not taught that a Jew is automatically on a "higher level" (your term)?

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:25 PM »
My kids are EXTREMELY proud of being Jewish. But they also respect as equals people who are not.
Oh, and just being Jewish is no virtue. Judaism is a religion. An irreligious jew is treated in many instances exactly like a non jew.

Unlike other Jews, the Orthodox actually have a good reason to be proud of their Jewish accomplishments.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:52 PM »
That's such an apologetic answer.  Were you not taught that a Jew is automatically on a "higher level" (your term)?
Absolutely not. See previous post.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2015, 07:35:13 PM »
Religion is part of the environment you were brought up in. Therefor people people born into different religions will not have equal chances of behaving similarly. I'm not saying that one will be better than the other...

http://nypost.com/2015/11/06/if-you-raise-your-kids-with-religion-theyre-likely-to-be-judgmental-jerks/


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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2015, 07:35:58 PM »
This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.

Actually not a bad pshat on the poster. I don't think, however, it's what's intended because its has the rest of the pecking order.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2015, 07:36:40 PM »
This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.
So it is not teaching them they are better than non-Jews?
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2015, 07:38:48 PM »
So it is not teaching them they are better than non-Jews?
Not intrinsically

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2015, 07:38:56 PM »
So it is not teaching them they are better than non-Jews?
Some people in the word are in ways "better" than others. Through hard work and growing closer to gd.

Think better as in a caring good Doctor is "better" than a terrorist.


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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2015, 07:39:07 PM »
I might be wrong but I grew up OOT and I nor any of my friends ever felt that way. I think it is a Brooklyn-type school setting that had that problem. Even in my sons school in 5t,  the principal regularly speaks to the kids (and parents) about how we must treat everybody, especially the secular teachers, janitors, kitchen staff, etc. with upmost respect and has very little tolerance for kids who don't. Kids are taught that they should say good morning, thank you, etc. to everybody, even passing people on the street.
In regards to that we are chosen, higher, or whatever term you want to use, we (me, my siblings, classmates) were always taught that it means that we are held to higher standards. While 'others' might use vulgar speech, dress inappropriately, be disrespectful and so on, since we are Yidden, we don't do those stuff, speak that way, etc. It is in no way to put other people down, just to reinforce that more is expected from us.

I wish that was the norm, but alas, I don't believe it is.  Maybe I'm wrong.

Oh, and just being Jewish is no virtue. Judaism is a religion. An irreligious jew is treated in many instances exactly like a non jew.

Unlike other Jews, the Orthodox actually have a good reason to be proud of their Jewish accomplishments.

I don't follow.  Are Orthodox Jews automatically on this higher level that you speak of?

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2015, 07:39:24 PM »
I might be wrong but I grew up OOT and I nor any of my friends ever felt that way. I think it is a Brooklyn-type school setting that had that problem. Even in my sons school in 5t,  the principal regularly speaks to the kids (and parents) about how we must treat everybody, especially the secular teachers, janitors, kitchen staff, etc. with upmost respect and has very little tolerance for kids who don't. Kids are taught that they should say good morning, thank you, etc. to everybody, even passing people on the street.
In regards to that we are chosen, higher, or whatever term you want to use, we (me, my siblings, classmates) were always taught that it means that we are held to higher standards. While 'others' might use vulgar speech, dress inappropriately, be disrespectful and so on, since we are Yidden, we don't do those stuff, speak that way, etc. It is in no way to put other people down, just to reinforce that more is expected from us.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2015, 07:41:41 PM »

I don't follow.  Are Orthodox Jews automatically on this higher level that you speak of?
A fully practicing orthodox jew is a more perfect person. The torah and miztvos perfect a person. Being closer to g-d elevates a person.

This option is available to everyone btw.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2015, 07:43:47 PM »
A fully practicing orthodox jew is a more perfect person. The torah and miztvos perfect a person. Being closer to g-d elevates a person.

Ok, fair enough.

This option is available to everyone btw.

Is it really?  Someone born in the middle of nowhere on the other side of the world actually has a chance?  What about if he dies at 6 months old?  How can you honestly say that the option is available to everyone?  There are literally billions of people that don't have the option, and will never have the option.