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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #90 on: November 07, 2015, 08:19:24 PM »
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #91 on: November 07, 2015, 08:37:34 PM »
What if the pecking order that was posted had a white person on the top tier and a black person on the second tier. Someone asks why and I say because the white person is better. What would that sound like?

I don't think anyone here is defending the poster. It's pretty horrifying.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2015, 08:43:03 PM »
So there's no popular belief that not accepting the savior will merit a one-way ticket to hell?
You are getting above my pay grade so I will use the Church's answer.

As Catholics, we believe that the process of salvation begins at baptism, continues by the way we live, and is complete only when we are judged at the end of our lives. We believe that it is through baptism that we become members of Christ.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #93 on: November 07, 2015, 08:44:21 PM »
I don't think anyone here is defending the poster. It's pretty horrifying.
It sounded in a round about way they were, my bad.  :-[
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #94 on: November 07, 2015, 08:47:53 PM »
You are getting above my pay grade so I will use the Church's answer.

As Catholics, we believe that the process of salvation begins at baptism, continues by the way we live, and is complete only when we are judged at the end of our lives. We believe that it is through baptism that we become members of Christ.
I.E. Don't go through that process and never mind not reaching the highest level, you go right to hell.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2015, 09:00:08 PM »
I didn't grew up in NY. Just a regular Midwest Yeshivish school. And while no one told me directly that Jews were better than non Jews or non religious people or people less religious it's definitely implied and given across that way in many areas.  And in some ways I see why it's easy to cross that line. Telling someone they are the chosen people and teaching kids that there is only one right way etc can easily lead a person to believing they are in fact better than others that are different.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #96 on: November 07, 2015, 09:02:52 PM »
I.E. Don't go through that process and never mind not reaching the highest level, you go right to hell.
To answer your original question more directly Christians accept Jesus Christ as their savior Catholics do not. It is complicated because of the Holy Trinity concept.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #97 on: November 07, 2015, 09:21:54 PM »
IMVHO it's the political correctness that every participant in this discussion is exhibiting (in varying degrees) that is the cause of teens going of the derech or at least lacking any interest in Judaism. We are so busy trying to be equal to others that we end up being apologetic for being Jewish.

Jewish pride is lost.

As a Jew, I believe that I'm special because I'm a member of the chosen nation. It's not due to my personal achievements that I warrant this status but because I am a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who dedicated their lives to finding and understanding G-d when no one else believed (see Duet. 7:7-8; 9:5-6).
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #98 on: November 07, 2015, 09:23:36 PM »
It's interesting to note that this original classification comes from the Kuzari with HOWEVER a different upper level: דומם, צומח, חי, מדבר, נביא.

It's relatively recent that it was changed to יהודי...
1st/2nd perek of Tanya, thought that would of been mentioned here already...

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2015, 09:39:59 PM »
IMVHO it's the political correctness that every participant in this discussion is exhibiting (in varying degrees) that is the cause of teens going of the derech or at least lacking any interest in Judaism. We are so busy trying to be equal to others that we end up being apologetic for being Jewish.

Jewish pride is lost.

As a Jew, I believe that I'm special because I'm a member of the chosen nation. It's not due to my personal achievements that I warrant this status but because I am a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who dedicated their lives to finding and understanding G-d when no one else believed (see Duet. 7:7-8; 9:5-6).

And I think a more likely reason for kids going off the derech is the attitude you just exhibited. 

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #100 on: November 07, 2015, 09:51:31 PM »
...I am a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...
How does one know for sure they are a descendant?
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #101 on: November 07, 2015, 09:52:24 PM »
I didn't grew up in NY. Just a regular Midwest Yeshivish school. And while no one told me directly that Jews were better than non Jews or non religious people or people less religious it's definitely implied and given across that way in many areas.  And in some ways I see why it's easy to cross that line. Telling someone they are the chosen people and teaching kids that there is only one right way etc can easily lead a person to believing they are in fact better than others that are different.

It sure sounds like you honestly don't believe the being a shomer shabbos makes you a better person.
What is yiddishkeit all about? Is it not about being right, about being good, or just, about attaining perfection? About personal growth?
Is it all just another way of life within the great American culture?

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #102 on: November 07, 2015, 10:04:29 PM »
It sure sounds like you honestly don't believe the being a shomer shabbos makes you a better person.
What is yiddishkeit all about? Is it not about being right, about being good, or just, about attaining perfection? About personal growth?
Is it all just another way of life within the great American culture?

#mo is bankrupt.
Honestly, being shomer shabbos doesn't guarantee you're a better person. The same way being irreligious doesn't guarantee you're a lesser person.


Being a good Jew is a lot more than being shomer shabbos and keeping kosher etc.


Meanwhile I don't know what about what I said gave you the impression that I don't think being shomer shabbas is important.
I just don't believe I'm a better person THAN MY NEIGHBOR because I'm shomer Shabbos.  Maybe a better person than I would be myself if I wasn't... But that's something else.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #103 on: November 07, 2015, 10:10:36 PM »
Seems like CM is one of the only religious people with a backbone here.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #104 on: November 07, 2015, 10:13:39 PM »
Honestly, being shomer shabbos doesn't guarantee you're a better person. The same way being irreligious doesn't guarantee you're a lesser person.


Being a good Jew is a lot more than being shomer shabbos and keeping kosher etc.


Meanwhile I don't know what about what I said gave you the impression that I don't think being shomer shabbas is important.
I just don't believe I'm a better person THAN MY NEIGHBOR because I'm shomer Shabbos.  Maybe a better person than I would be myself if I wasn't... But that's something else.
Do you believe your religious practices improve who you are as a person and ultimately are part of fulfilling your destiny?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
JTZ