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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2015, 07:05:53 PM »
That was the last year that I sent my kids to an Orthodox school...
But you're not even orthodox. Why did you send them there to begin with?

Excuse me for invading your privacy, but I'm curious if you were actually brought up frum and then one day "realized" that its all "make believe"? or did you grow up being a mechalel shabbos/reform or something and somewhere along the way decided to become a quasi baal teshuva for social reasons.

#whats orthoprax

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2015, 07:16:26 PM »
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2015, 07:18:46 PM »
I'd love to erase the word "Goyim" from our vocabulary. At this point it is associated with negative connotations and I think it would start to lead us in the right direction if we start referring to them as "Non-Jews".
Why is Non-Jews okay? A) Goyim means nations. Why is that derogatory?     B) Non Jew implies that the person is lacking something by not being jewish.    And Gentile is a better description than Non-jews although it means the same thing.

gen·tile
ˈjen(t)īl/
noun
plural noun: Gentiles
a person who is not Jewish.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2015, 07:23:12 PM »
ETA:  I'm of the belief that chance of birth into a specific religion does absolutely nothing for you.  It's your personal choices, decisions, and actions that make you a good person.  Inb4 I'm called a self-hating Jew.

A huge factor of your decisions and behavior in life will be the environment where you were brought up.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2015, 07:25:55 PM »
A huge factor of your decisions and behavior in life will be the environment where you were brought up.
Yes but you have no say in what religion you are born into.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2015, 07:27:13 PM »
A huge factor of your decisions and behavior in life will be the environment where you were brought up.

What does that have to do with religion? 

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2015, 07:27:41 PM »
Why is Non-Jews okay? A) Goyim means nations. Why is that derogatory?     B) Non Jew implies that the person is lacking something by not being jewish.    And Gentile is a better description than Non-jews although it means the same thing.

gen·tile
ˈjen(t)īl/
noun
plural noun: Gentiles
a person who is not Jewish.
The point is to make sure the kids have no pride in their yiddishkeit. Everything else is just semantics.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2015, 07:29:24 PM »
The point is to make sure the kids have no pride in their yiddishkeit. Everything else is just semantics.

The problem isn't kids being taught to be proud, but to be proud to the degradation of someone or something else.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2015, 07:30:35 PM »
The point is to make sure the kids have no pride in their yiddishkeit. Everything else is just semantics.

My kids are EXTREMELY proud of being Jewish. But they also respect as equals people who are not.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2015, 07:31:39 PM »
ורוממתנו מכל הלשונות.

I guess you can stop davening.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2015, 07:31:54 PM »


Translation for CM: This is a poster in an Orthodox school illustrating the pecking order of creations. On the top are Jews, then Gentiles, then animals, then vegetation, and then inanimate objects.  Sigh.

This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.



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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2015, 07:33:21 PM »
Yes but you have no say in what religion you are born into.
What does that have to do with religion?
Religion is part of the environment you were brought up in. Therefor people people born into different religions will not have equal chances of behaving similarly. I'm not saying that one will be better than the other...

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:05 PM »
I might be wrong but I grew up OOT and I nor any of my friends ever felt that way. I think it is a Brooklyn-type school setting that had that problem. Even in my sons school in 5t,  the principal regularly speaks to the kids (and parents) about how we must treat everybody, especially the secular teachers, janitors, kitchen staff, etc. with upmost respect and has very little tolerance for kids who don't. Kids are taught that they should say good morning, thank you, etc. to everybody, even passing people on the street.
In regards to that we are chosen, higher, or whatever term you want to use, we (me, my siblings, classmates) were always taught that it means that we are held to higher standards. While 'others' might use vulgar speech, dress inappropriately, be disrespectful and so on, since we are Yidden, we don't do those stuff, speak that way, etc. It is in no way to put other people down, just to reinforce that more is expected from us.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:10 PM »
This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.

That's such an apologetic answer.  Were you not taught that a Jew is automatically on a "higher level" (your term)?

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:25 PM »
My kids are EXTREMELY proud of being Jewish. But they also respect as equals people who are not.
Oh, and just being Jewish is no virtue. Judaism is a religion. An irreligious jew is treated in many instances exactly like a non jew.

Unlike other Jews, the Orthodox actually have a good reason to be proud of their Jewish accomplishments.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2015, 07:34:52 PM »
That's such an apologetic answer.  Were you not taught that a Jew is automatically on a "higher level" (your term)?
Absolutely not. See previous post.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2015, 07:35:13 PM »
Religion is part of the environment you were brought up in. Therefor people people born into different religions will not have equal chances of behaving similarly. I'm not saying that one will be better than the other...

http://nypost.com/2015/11/06/if-you-raise-your-kids-with-religion-theyre-likely-to-be-judgmental-jerks/


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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2015, 07:35:58 PM »
This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.

Actually not a bad pshat on the poster. I don't think, however, it's what's intended because its has the rest of the pecking order.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2015, 07:36:40 PM »
This poster simply to teach children that through learning torah and doing the mitzvos one can be elevated to a higher level than everyone else. Note that the mitzvos are on there for a reason.
Sigh.

Yes, in fact one can reach a higher level. It takes hard work and a full commitment.
So it is not teaching them they are better than non-Jews?
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2015, 07:38:48 PM »
So it is not teaching them they are better than non-Jews?
Not intrinsically