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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2015, 08:12:16 PM »
also
You are right it's in חגיגה י"ג ע"א:
הא למדת, שאפילו עובד כוכבים ועוסק בתורה - הרי הוא ככהן גדול

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2015, 08:12:34 PM »
I think Google got this one wrong. Translation?

A learned person with a hereditary spiriltual defect can still reach this upper echelon.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2015, 08:13:27 PM »
I think Google got this one wrong. Translation?
Google is more or less right  :)

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2015, 08:14:25 PM »
I think Google got this one wrong. Translation?
A scholarly bastard
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2015, 08:14:51 PM »
Absolutely, even a Christian (I don't think you will get that part  :) ). You think I can get my answer now?
So there's no popular belief that not accepting the savior will merit a one-way ticket to hell?
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2015, 08:15:15 PM »
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2015, 08:15:39 PM »
I stand corrected.
Google was right? (BTW i don't mean bastard in a crude way, that's just the literal translation of a mamzer. It may be used as an insult, but the word itself isn't a profanity.)
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2015, 08:17:45 PM »
I might be wrong but I grew up OOT and I nor any of my friends ever felt that way. I think it is a Brooklyn-type school setting that had that problem. Even in my sons school in 5t,  the principal regularly speaks to the kids (and parents) about how we must treat everybody, especially the secular teachers, janitors, kitchen staff, etc. with upmost respect and has very little tolerance for kids who don't. Kids are taught that they should say good morning, thank you, etc. to everybody, even passing people on the street.
In regards to that we are chosen, higher, or whatever term you want to use, we (me, my siblings, classmates) were always taught that it means that we are held to higher standards. While 'others' might use vulgar speech, dress inappropriately, be disrespectful and so on, since we are Yidden, we don't do those stuff, speak that way, etc. It is in no way to put other people down, just to reinforce that more is expected from us.
This is for the most part how I've always been taught (in Brooklyn) and frankly some of the comments here are pretty scary...

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2015, 08:18:02 PM »
What if the pecking order that was posted had a white person on the top tier and a black person on the second tier. Someone asks why and I say because the white person is better. What would that sound like?
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2015, 08:18:53 PM »
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #90 on: November 07, 2015, 08:19:24 PM »
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #91 on: November 07, 2015, 08:37:34 PM »
What if the pecking order that was posted had a white person on the top tier and a black person on the second tier. Someone asks why and I say because the white person is better. What would that sound like?

I don't think anyone here is defending the poster. It's pretty horrifying.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2015, 08:43:03 PM »
So there's no popular belief that not accepting the savior will merit a one-way ticket to hell?
You are getting above my pay grade so I will use the Church's answer.

As Catholics, we believe that the process of salvation begins at baptism, continues by the way we live, and is complete only when we are judged at the end of our lives. We believe that it is through baptism that we become members of Christ.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #93 on: November 07, 2015, 08:44:21 PM »
I don't think anyone here is defending the poster. It's pretty horrifying.
It sounded in a round about way they were, my bad.  :-[
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #94 on: November 07, 2015, 08:47:53 PM »
You are getting above my pay grade so I will use the Church's answer.

As Catholics, we believe that the process of salvation begins at baptism, continues by the way we live, and is complete only when we are judged at the end of our lives. We believe that it is through baptism that we become members of Christ.
I.E. Don't go through that process and never mind not reaching the highest level, you go right to hell.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2015, 09:00:08 PM »
I didn't grew up in NY. Just a regular Midwest Yeshivish school. And while no one told me directly that Jews were better than non Jews or non religious people or people less religious it's definitely implied and given across that way in many areas.  And in some ways I see why it's easy to cross that line. Telling someone they are the chosen people and teaching kids that there is only one right way etc can easily lead a person to believing they are in fact better than others that are different.
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #96 on: November 07, 2015, 09:02:52 PM »
I.E. Don't go through that process and never mind not reaching the highest level, you go right to hell.
To answer your original question more directly Christians accept Jesus Christ as their savior Catholics do not. It is complicated because of the Holy Trinity concept.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #97 on: November 07, 2015, 09:21:54 PM »
IMVHO it's the political correctness that every participant in this discussion is exhibiting (in varying degrees) that is the cause of teens going of the derech or at least lacking any interest in Judaism. We are so busy trying to be equal to others that we end up being apologetic for being Jewish.

Jewish pride is lost.

As a Jew, I believe that I'm special because I'm a member of the chosen nation. It's not due to my personal achievements that I warrant this status but because I am a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who dedicated their lives to finding and understanding G-d when no one else believed (see Duet. 7:7-8; 9:5-6).
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #98 on: November 07, 2015, 09:23:36 PM »
It's interesting to note that this original classification comes from the Kuzari with HOWEVER a different upper level: דומם, צומח, חי, מדבר, נביא.

It's relatively recent that it was changed to יהודי...
1st/2nd perek of Tanya, thought that would of been mentioned here already...

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2015, 09:39:59 PM »
IMVHO it's the political correctness that every participant in this discussion is exhibiting (in varying degrees) that is the cause of teens going of the derech or at least lacking any interest in Judaism. We are so busy trying to be equal to others that we end up being apologetic for being Jewish.

Jewish pride is lost.

As a Jew, I believe that I'm special because I'm a member of the chosen nation. It's not due to my personal achievements that I warrant this status but because I am a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who dedicated their lives to finding and understanding G-d when no one else believed (see Duet. 7:7-8; 9:5-6).

And I think a more likely reason for kids going off the derech is the attitude you just exhibited.