The Tamar Epstein Saga

[theduke]

my reaction to this is that her second husband must be mentally ill if he would marry a woman with get issues, especially since there is a shiduch crisis! He can find so many single girls without any issues, especially from Baltimore!! Therefore the second kidushin is not Tofes and she is allowed to go back tot the first husband.

[Aaaron]

my reaction to this is that her second husband must be mentally ill if he would marry a woman with get issues, especially since there is a shiduch crisis! He can find so many single girls without any issues, especially from Baltimore!! Therefore the second kidushin is not Tofes and she is allowed to go back tot the first husband.

Huh? 


And now that we've gotten a psak from R' Duke, we can all go home.

[churnbabychurn]

Isn't this the BD that had already "sided" with the husband and asked RSK to stay out of it?  If so, I take it with a grain of salt at this point.

Take everything in this story with a grain of salt.

[Aaaron]

Take everything in this story with a grain of salt.

I am.  This story is so unusual in that it can actually cause a major rift.  Sad, but intriguing. 

[churnbabychurn]

I never heard of him even though I grew up in Monsey. Is he considered to be a boki in these subjects? The way he goes after RNG and RSK personally calling them reform makes me think that kol haposel bimumo posel

Has been involved in many of the major gittin for the last few years. Typically takes the husbands side.

[aygart]

Huh? 


And now that we've gotten a psak from R' Duke, we can all go home.

I think the part about Baltimore is that there is a nice selection of single girls there.

[aygart]

Therefore the second kidushin is not Tofes and she is allowed to go back tot the first husband.

As a siman of the nonsense in your post, her being allowed to go back to her first husband has nothing to do with kiddushin being tofes but with biah

[aygart]

Has been involved in many of the major gittin for the last few years. Typically takes the husbands side.

Either way, the way he is talking about a 90 year old Rosh Yeshiva speaks volumes.

[Moshe123]

Lets get back on track.
There is a Teshuva of Rav Boaron that Rav Ovadia ztz"l agreed to regarding mekach taus that can be permitted in an extreme circumstance of mental illness.
The counter-argument is here is that the husband is absolutely sane. He still holds down a very prestigeous job and that the entire mentally ill excuse is a sham.

[churnbabychurn]

Lets get back on track.
There is a Teshuva of Rav Boaron that Rav Ovadia ztz"l agreed to regarding mekach taus that can be permitted in an extreme circumstance of mental illness.
The counter-argument is here is that the husband is absolutely sane. He still holds down a very prestigeous job and that the entire mentally ill excuse is a sham.

That is not the counter argument mentioned on the letters.
This is also not what the matir based his pesak on.

[theduke]

As a siman of the nonsense in your post, her being allowed to go back to her first husband has nothing to do with kiddushin being tofes but with biah

im pretty sure what I wrote was meant to be facetious!

[chaimmayer]

That is not the counter argument mentioned on the letters.
This is also not what the matir based his pesak on.

I know Rav shternbuch claims he saw a teshuva but I thought no one knows what exactly the heter was?

[churnbabychurn]

I know Rav shternbuch claims he saw a teshuva but I thought no one knows what exactly the heter was?

True. The letter mentions a R Moshe though.

[churnbabychurn]

There is another angle here. Was a coerced get actually extracted by Epstein?

[avromie7]

There is another angle here. Was a coerced get actually extracted by Epstein?

FWIU it clearly wasn't because ORA would have publicized it

[PlatinumGuy]

I thought it was all R Shlomo Kamenstky, R Shmuels son

[Baruch]

There's gotta be another side to this story.

We only have info from one side right now.

From that info, this is an open shut case.

Which leads me to believe that when (if) the other side speaks, it won't be so open and shut anymore.

[avromie7]

There's gotta be another side to this story.

We only have info from one side right now.

From that info, this is an open shut case.

Which leads me to believe that when (if) the other side speaks, it won't be so open and shut anymore.

Truth is for years she was slandering him together with ORA y"sh, now that she got her "heter" she decides to keep quiet.

[Baruch]

Truth is for years she was slandering him together with ORA y"sh, now that she got her "heter" she decides to keep quiet.

I'm not referring to her. I'm referring to the outstanding Rabbanim on her side. There's gotta be more to the story.

[churnbabychurn]

There's gotta be another side to this story.

We only have info from one side right now.

From that info, this is an open shut case.

Which leads me to believe that when (if) the other side speaks, it won't be so open and shut anymore.

You mamash can't even hear a sevara that if indeed he has OCD, once she realized that it's irreversible it is mekach taus?

Obviously normally you wouldn't use such a sevara for a mayim achronim Sheila... But with a strong belief that she is a mamash real aguna... (she isn't) etc


(Notwithstanding the savrah vekibla issue)