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הוי זהיר בגחלתם שלא תכוה, שנשיכתן נשיכת שועל ועקיצתן עקיצת עקרב, ולחישתן לחישת שרף, וכל דבריהם כגחלי אש

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1200 on: January 12, 2016, 09:54:25 PM »
When did she publicize any claim?
She has been publicizing her case for years. Yes she put out a press release when she "became free"

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1201 on: January 12, 2016, 10:08:40 PM »
What does it say to indicate sovra vikibla and when was it written? I didn't go to see it.
Eta


Are we even allowed to discuss the heter now or is it taboo?




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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1202 on: January 12, 2016, 10:16:16 PM »
Eta


Are we even allowed to discuss the heter now or is it taboo?
Your choice as far as I am concerned. What changed?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1203 on: January 12, 2016, 11:41:39 PM »
It was part of official court records which are public (according to the website). If she is going to publicly claim that he is crazy he should be able to defend himself in the same manor. What's good for the goose is good for the gander

She has been publicizing her case for years. Yes she put out a press release when she "became free"

Source that she publicly claimed he's crazy?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1204 on: January 13, 2016, 10:57:48 AM »


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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1205 on: January 13, 2016, 04:00:57 PM »
Now they say Rav Shteinman is next...
If the American moetzes are waiting for anything it is for him.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1206 on: January 13, 2016, 10:40:45 PM »


Coming soon, Lakewood Roshei Yeshiva! (Mipi hashmuah)
Very serious question. Can you explain to me the process of how these machas come about who initiates it? Who explains to them the parameters of this specific situation and how do they verify it?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1207 on: January 13, 2016, 11:12:40 PM »
Very serious question. Can you explain to me the process of how these machas come about who initiates it? Who explains to them the parameters of this specific situation and how do they verify it?
After many weeks of serious investigation, correspondences, and even face to face meetings with the matirim.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1208 on: January 13, 2016, 11:14:01 PM »
After many weeks of serious investigation, correspondences, and even face to face meetings with the matirim.
Rev shmuel aurbach had face to face meetingswith the matirim?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1209 on: January 14, 2016, 09:22:39 AM »
Very serious question. Can you explain to me the process of how these machas come about who initiates it? Who explains to them the parameters of this specific situation and how do they verify it?
The "Matir" from the northeast had peddled his Heter to several Poskim in the US & Israel trying to get them to sign onto the Heter - and all except one said that the Heter is flawed for many reasons.
Some of the people making the Macha are so mad because they told the Matir from the Northeast beforehand that he shouldn't do it.
So to answer your question many of the Rabonim signing letters have first hand knowledge of the situation.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1210 on: January 14, 2016, 09:24:11 AM »
Very serious question. Can you explain to me the process of how these machas come about who initiates it? Who explains to them the parameters of this specific situation and how do they verify it?

I can tell  you it's a lot more transparent and public than the heter was.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1211 on: January 14, 2016, 09:57:27 AM »
I can tell  you it's a lot more transparent and public than the heter was.
Not sure what you mean

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1212 on: January 14, 2016, 10:04:20 AM »
I can tell  you it's a lot more transparent and public than the heter was.
How so?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1213 on: January 14, 2016, 10:05:06 AM »
The "Matir" from the northeast had peddled his Heter to several Poskim in the US & Israel trying to get them to sign onto the Heter - and all except one said that the Heter is flawed for many reasons.
Some of the people making the Macha are so mad because they told the Matir from the Northeast beforehand that he shouldn't do it.
So to answer your question many of the Rabonim signing letters have first hand knowledge of the situation.
What do you think would be his motive for this?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1214 on: January 14, 2016, 10:11:22 AM »
Not sure what you mean

At the very least, one side has signed off on the Macha and the other side hasn't even acknowledged that a heter exists.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1215 on: January 14, 2016, 10:14:23 AM »
At the very least, one side has signed off on the Macha and the other side hasn't even acknowledged that a heter exists.
I am not comparing one to the other. I am just asking what the process is bc in general I have a hard time understanding  how they make machas without properly investigating

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1216 on: January 14, 2016, 10:19:03 AM »
I am not comparing one to the other. I am just asking what the process is bc in general I have a hard time understanding  how they make machas without properly investigating

well, I assume they had a psychiatrist examine him, and then break all ethical rules and tell them he's normal.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1217 on: January 14, 2016, 10:20:05 AM »
well, I assume they had a psychiatrist examine him, and then break all ethical rules and tell them he's normal.
Lol. Go back to making friends with your coworkers

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1218 on: January 14, 2016, 10:20:12 AM »
I am not comparing one to the other. I am just asking what the process is bc in general I have a hard time understanding  how they make machas without properly investigating

Very simple.
A woman got remarried without a get.
And no rabbi is willing to stand behind her.
And their are rabbis like R' Feldman who were involved for a long time who know all the intimate details. All it takes is one phone call to him to find out the story.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1219 on: January 14, 2016, 10:23:06 AM »
Very simple.
A woman got remarried without a get.
And no rabbi is willing to stand behind her.
And their are rabbis like R' Feldman who were involved for a long time who know all the intimate details. All it takes is one phone call to him to find out the story.
So let me get this straight rav shmuel aurbach read on ddf or daastorah that there's a hock he picked up the phone called rav Feldman got the story didn't call the rabbonim involved and wrote the letter and sent a press release to all the gossip sites. Got it.