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Author Topic: The Tamar Epstein Saga  (Read 287800 times)

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1240 on: January 14, 2016, 03:10:42 PM »



R Moshe Shternbuch

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1241 on: January 14, 2016, 03:20:02 PM »



R Moshe Shternbuch

Where is his signature?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1242 on: January 14, 2016, 03:45:58 PM »
Where is his signature?

If you want to verify it yourself, PM me for his sons phone number.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1243 on: January 14, 2016, 03:48:21 PM »
Where is his signature?
Is it so unbelievable?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1244 on: January 14, 2016, 03:50:47 PM »
This is a nice shiur from Rav H Shachter.
Also invalidates the heter.
http://www.torahweb.org/audio/rsch_011016_video.html

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1245 on: January 14, 2016, 03:55:05 PM »
Is it so unbelievable?

Believable or not, its isn't signed

1) I don't appreciate unsigned letters, and
2) with the way things are going you can publish anything in anyone's name...

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1246 on: January 14, 2016, 04:21:57 PM »
Believable or not, its isn't signed

1) I don't appreciate unsigned letters, and
2) with the way things are going you can publish anything in anyone's name...
I believe it was taken from his weekly pamphlet and not necessarily a stand alone letter (which he has written already)

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1247 on: January 14, 2016, 04:47:00 PM »


Believable or not, its isn't signed

1) I don't appreciate unsigned letters, and
2) with the way things are going you can publish anything in anyone's name...

Yeah, and signatures mean nothing also. Like the letter you posted last week...

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1248 on: January 14, 2016, 04:53:24 PM »
Believable or not, its isn't signed

1) I don't appreciate unsigned letters, and
2) with the way things are going you can publish anything in anyone's name...

I believe it was taken from his weekly pamphlet and not necessarily a stand alone letter (which he has written already)

He also was on the radio show in case there was any doubt about what he holds.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1249 on: January 14, 2016, 04:55:20 PM »

Yeah, and signatures mean nothing also. Like the letter you posted last week...
Except that the letter he posted was confirmed by those who signed except for the forgery which was somehow only posted by those anti-heter.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1252 on: January 17, 2016, 09:30:48 PM »


This is very important.

For many bney (roshei) yeshiva this pesak would be considered the removal of any doubt.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1253 on: January 17, 2016, 10:06:34 PM »
Was there any doubt beforehand?
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1254 on: January 17, 2016, 10:11:54 PM »
Was there any doubt beforehand?
I mean more confidence to issue an all out machoah with possible consequences..

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1255 on: January 17, 2016, 10:16:08 PM »
I mean more confidence to issue an all out machoah with possible consequences..
I'm not sure where you see that in this letter. What you see is gedolim have voiced there opinion that there is no validity to the heter.
Not sure what you mean "issue an all out machaah"
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1256 on: January 17, 2016, 10:17:12 PM »
Was there any doubt beforehand?
The Materim who are from the leading poskim in Gitten and leading Rosh Yeshiva in America have not issued any statements. Until they retract and issue some sort of explanation as to exactly what happened there is some doubt as to what the "Hav Amenia" was.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1257 on: January 17, 2016, 10:33:18 PM »
I'm not sure where you see that in this letter. What you see is gedolim have voiced there opinion that there is no validity to the heter.
Not sure what you mean "issue an all out machaah"
Many Roshei Yeshiva never would dream of getting involved in a heter eishes ish sheilah. They would hesitate to issue piskay halacha in oruch Chaim...
I have heard that while everyone knows that this "heter" didn't pass the smell test, the Roshei Yeshiva who are going to be mocheh required a serious posek to double verify that there is absolutely no limud zechus.
Here they received their final answer.

There is no defense that the "gedolim don't really know the metzius", etc

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1258 on: January 18, 2016, 01:36:01 AM »
Many Roshei Yeshiva never would dream of getting involved in a heter eishes ish sheilah. They would hesitate to issue piskay halacha in oruch Chaim...
I have heard that while everyone knows that this "heter" didn't pass the smell test, the Roshei Yeshiva who are going to be mocheh required a serious posek to double verify that there is absolutely no limud zechus.
Here they received their final answer.

There is no defense that the "gedolim don't really know the metzius", etc
Rav Shlomo Miller already wrote a few letters....

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1259 on: January 18, 2016, 10:45:32 AM »
Many Roshei Yeshiva never would dream of getting involved in a heter eishes ish sheilah. They would hesitate to issue piskay halacha in oruch Chaim...
I have heard that while everyone knows that this "heter" didn't pass the smell test, the Roshei Yeshiva who are going to be mocheh required a serious posek to double verify that there is absolutely no limud zechus.
Here they received their final answer.

There is no defense that the "gedolim don't really know the metzius", etc

I think most roshei yeshiva aren't writing letters because they don't get involved in things like this.
That's not going to change now
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.