Topic Wiki

הוי זהיר בגחלתם שלא תכוה, שנשיכתן נשיכת שועל ועקיצתן עקיצת עקרב, ולחישתן לחישת שרף, וכל דבריהם כגחלי אש

« Last edited by Baruch on March 30, 2016, 01:00:08 PM »

Author Topic: The Tamar Epstein Saga  (Read 280205 times)

Offline Aaaron

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jan 2012
  • Posts: 1396
  • Total likes: 39
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 3
    • View Profile
  • Location: Baltimore
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1400 on: January 25, 2016, 04:36:29 PM »
1) A major complaint about the heter being used, is that it will be abused. This story supposedly confirms those worries.

2) Why do goyim convert to get married to Jews?
Because they like the guy and are willing to do what it takes to get married.
Same thing here.

Everything!
This case has all but ruined the sanctity of an orthodox marriage al pi halacha.

This is no joke. - Soon every two bit pulpit rabbi will be annulling marriages left and right if this doesn't end properly.

Fair enough, but how can we say it's being abused without even knowing the details of the case of his friend?  ???

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1401 on: January 25, 2016, 04:42:43 PM »
Fair enough, but how can we say it's being abused without even knowing the details of the case of his friend?  ???
Details?
Isha yotzah be'get ubemisas habal.
That's it. End or story.
There is no other "out".

(There have been 2 or 3 extremely rare and unique cases in history where the marriage never was in effect due to some errors. But nothing that applies today)

Offline Yitz

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 1929
  • Total likes: 38
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1402 on: January 25, 2016, 04:43:44 PM »
Fair enough, but how can we say it's being abused without even knowing the details of the case of his friend?  ???
Very simple and straight just as I wrote. My friend figured she would go to Rabbi Riskin. He called Rabbi Riskin and told him not to even think of getting him involved in this fiasco as he had 2 children with his ex.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18802
  • Total likes: 14894
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1403 on: January 25, 2016, 04:54:09 PM »
Everything!
This case has all but ruined the sanctity of an orthodox marriage al pi halacha.

This is no joke. - Soon every two bit pulpit rabbi will be annulling marriages left and right if this doesn't end properly.

ANd you are showing this because Riskin did it ???
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1404 on: January 25, 2016, 04:59:41 PM »
ANd you are showing this because Riskin did it ???
Riskins not a two bit pulpit rabbi

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18802
  • Total likes: 14894
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1405 on: January 25, 2016, 05:02:22 PM »
Riskins not a two bit pulpit rabbi
DO you really think that he would only do it because of this story? (it seems in this case nothing even happened)
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1406 on: January 25, 2016, 05:06:21 PM »
DO you really think that he would only do it because of this story? (it seems in this case nothing even happened)
Let's not get distracted by discussing riskin.

Bottom line I stand by my statement that this fiasco has ruined the sanctity of a halachic marriage.

Offline yuneeq

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2013
  • Posts: 8887
  • Total likes: 4063
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 10
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1407 on: January 25, 2016, 05:31:12 PM »
Fair enough, but how can we say it's being abused without even knowing the details of the case of his friend?  ???

Key word was my use of the word "supposedly".
Just because someone posts it on ddf doesn't mean it happened like that.
Visibly Jewish

Offline Aaaron

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jan 2012
  • Posts: 1396
  • Total likes: 39
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 3
    • View Profile
  • Location: Baltimore
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1408 on: January 25, 2016, 05:55:17 PM »
Wait, did R Riskin annual it or not? If not, it's irrelevant.

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1409 on: January 25, 2016, 06:44:21 PM »
Wait, did R Riskin annual it or not? If not, it's irrelevant.
The fact that ppl now think that there is a third way to end a marriage is relevant.

Now all you need is to find a rabbi to sign the dotted line. ..........

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1410 on: January 30, 2016, 07:00:15 PM »

Offline Sammy82

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 1526
  • Total likes: 440
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: AWAY
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1411 on: January 30, 2016, 11:04:38 PM »

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1412 on: January 31, 2016, 05:42:53 AM »
##Obsessed
Oh I'm sorry.
You wish this all just went away?

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1413 on: February 03, 2016, 07:23:42 AM »
Bump!


Stay tuned

Offline Ergel

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jun 2010
  • Posts: 13070
  • Total likes: 905
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 3
    • View Profile
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1414 on: February 03, 2016, 08:12:14 AM »
^^dumbest post ever
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

Offline Boruch999

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Posts: 2164
  • Total likes: 186
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1416 on: February 03, 2016, 08:25:08 AM »
^^dumbest post ever
Sorry, I woke u up?

Offline Ergel

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jun 2010
  • Posts: 13070
  • Total likes: 905
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 3
    • View Profile
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1417 on: February 03, 2016, 08:50:09 AM »
Sorry, I woke u up?
Nope. I'm up early. Just send like you (and Eidelson) are giddy about this whole fiasco. Gives you something to do
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1418 on: February 03, 2016, 09:11:58 AM »
Nope. I'm up early. Just send like you (and Eidelson) are giddy about this whole fiasco. Gives you something to do
You woke up too early. Go back to bed and start over.

I'm actually hopeful that this is almost over...
Stay tuned!

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7647
  • Total likes: 301
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1419 on: February 03, 2016, 11:05:07 AM »