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Author Topic: The Tamar Epstein Saga  (Read 284872 times)

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #260 on: November 11, 2015, 03:56:12 PM »
Here you have the RSK letter disavowing it.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #261 on: November 11, 2015, 03:58:55 PM »
And.  Here.  We.  Go.

This is going to get interesting. 

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #262 on: November 11, 2015, 04:00:52 PM »
And.  Here.  We.  Go.

This is going to get interesting. 

Notice the old date. People had it until now.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #263 on: November 11, 2015, 04:05:29 PM »
Notice the old date. People had it until now.

Good catch.  3 weeks old.  Surprised it stayed under wraps for so long.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #264 on: November 11, 2015, 04:06:26 PM »
Good catch.  3 weeks old.  Surprised it stayed under wraps for so long.

More like nearly 5 months.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #265 on: November 11, 2015, 04:08:34 PM »
More like nearly 5 months.

Whoops, you're right, wrong month.  So this is before the heter was granted, right?  We'll need something more recent then or half the world will say he may have changed his mind.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #266 on: November 11, 2015, 04:12:02 PM »
Whoops, you're right, wrong month.  So this is before the heter was granted, right?  We'll need something more recent then or half the world will say he may have changed his mind.

Heter is much older.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #267 on: November 11, 2015, 04:13:14 PM »
Heter is much older.

Really?  What's the basic timeline on this and why's it being made such a big deal now?  Is it because she remarried?  I would've thought such a heter would have created huge waves immediately. 

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #268 on: November 11, 2015, 04:16:02 PM »
Really?  What's the basic timeline on this and why's it being made such a big deal now?  Is it because she remarried?  I would've thought such a heter would have created huge waves immediately. 

I also don't know why it boiled over now. But it's now that you have Rabbonim from all shades coming out against it.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #269 on: November 11, 2015, 04:50:46 PM »
I also don't know why it boiled over now. But it's now that you have Rabbonim from all shades coming out against it.
the title of this piece may have to do with this. האם תמר אפשטיין הרה לזנונים?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #270 on: November 11, 2015, 04:52:27 PM »
Notice the old date. People had it until now.
Not the people who signed letters mentioning RSK

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #271 on: November 11, 2015, 05:02:10 PM »
the title of this piece may have to do with this. האם תמר אפשטיין הרה לזנונים?

No real reference to that.
Anyway, RAF in his letter acknowledges that RSK denies it. I guess the letter should have been made public.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #272 on: November 11, 2015, 05:02:27 PM »
Not the people who signed letters mentioning RSK

See my above comment

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #273 on: November 11, 2015, 05:14:45 PM »
Really?  What's the basic timeline on this and why's it being made such a big deal now?  Is it because she remarried?  I would've thought such a heter would have created huge waves immediately.
If she remarried recently that would trigger this.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #274 on: November 11, 2015, 05:14:45 PM »
Really?  What's the basic timeline on this and why's it being made such a big deal now?  Is it because she remarried?  I would've thought such a heter would have created huge waves immediately.
If she remarried recently that would trigger this.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #275 on: November 11, 2015, 05:16:33 PM »
If she remarried recently that would trigger this.

It seems so.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #276 on: November 12, 2015, 02:54:31 PM »
Notice the old date. People had it until now.
Not the people who signed letters mentioning RSK
Says something when someone calls a 90 year old respected Rosh Yeshiva reform without even ensuring that he actually said what is being attributed to him. Sounds like someone needs to review the halachos of kabalas lashon hara.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #277 on: November 12, 2015, 02:59:21 PM »
Says something when someone calls a 90 year old respected Rosh Yeshiva reform without even ensuring that he actually said what is being attributed to him. Sounds like someone needs to review the halachos of kabalas lashon hara.

Or that said Rabbi wrote a secret letter and let the while world keep on thinking that he approved it. He still didn't release a public letter.

The harsh letter is completely unjustified, but the Kaminetsky's aren't clean here.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #278 on: November 12, 2015, 03:30:34 PM »
Says something when someone calls a 90 year old respected Rosh Yeshiva reform without even ensuring that he actually said what is being attributed to him. Sounds like someone needs to review the halachos of kabalas lashon hara.
There is a shmua going around that that letter is fabricated. Not sure whether that's accurate or not
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #279 on: November 12, 2015, 03:44:09 PM »
Or that said Rabbi wrote a secret letter and let the while world keep on thinking that he approved it. He still didn't release a public letter.

The harsh letter is completely unjustified, but the Kaminetsky's aren't clean here.
You don't write such a letter without verifying that he actually said it so letting people think it would not be enough to excuse it.
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