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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2015, 09:00:13 AM »
this is very sad
she has been through a lot, and was finally granted a heter, and not from some random rabbi who has no business giving out heterim in these weighty matters.
and now other big rabbanim are objecting which will cause her trouble for the rest of her life with kids and grandkids

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2015, 09:01:52 AM »
Rsk and rng are no gorens - not from a talmid Chacham perspective and not from a yeshivish Manhig perspective.  It'll be very interesting to see where this heads but so far they are being very careful to bash the היתר and not the מתיר.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2015, 09:05:08 AM »
this is very sad
she has been through a lot, and was finally granted a heter, and not from some random rabbi who has no business giving out heterim in these weighty matters.
and now other big rabbanim are objecting which will cause her trouble for the rest of her life with kids and grandkids

Of course it's sad. But if most poskim say that it has no basis, there is nothing you can do. Halacha will remain halacha. Nobody will marry a person who most poskim call a mamzer. We're referring to a religious person if I understand this correctly. This isn't the Langer story.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2015, 09:05:47 AM »
I wouldn't call these loopholes but, it a pretty accurate statement. Somethings are just impossible. Like eating chometz on pesach. Simply cant be done.

We can discuss what some MO perceive as the "unfairness" of the Torah in the other thread.


Perfectly said.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2015, 09:06:06 AM »
Of course it's sad. But if most poskim say that it has no basis, there is nothing you can do. Halacha will remain halacha. Nobody will marry a person who most poskim call a mamzer. We're referring to a religious person if I understand this correctly. This isn't the Langer story.
but she didnt get a heter from IBD or something. she got a heter from one of the leading poskim in america

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2015, 09:06:57 AM »
Rsk and rng are no gorens - not from a talmid Chacham perspective and not from a yeshivish Manhig perspective.  It'll be very interesting to see where this heads but so far they are being very careful to bash the היתר and not the מתיר.

We will probably have to wait on a clear letter from RSK on his position. Nobody will just rely on RNG.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2015, 09:07:09 AM »
a husband (in halacha marriage is a transaction)
-1 man buys the woman.

A woman marries only willfully.
Does false consent invalidate the transaction?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2015, 09:08:15 AM »
but she didnt get a heter from IBD or something. she got a heter from one of the leading poskim in america

If RSK agreed, it still doesn't make the story much simpler. If the vast majority of poskim disagree, it's not halacha and no serious rav will use it.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2015, 09:09:23 AM »
If RSK agreed, it still doesn't make the story much simpler. If the vast majority of poskim disagree, it's not halacha and no serious rav will use it.
i agree, which makes it a sad story.
but my point is, she didnt rely on a bum heter and run with it. so its sad that now no one will honor it

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2015, 09:10:20 AM »
Is this the guy who sent his kids to public school and then his boys to the belz girls school or that's a different guy?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2015, 09:10:29 AM »
i agree, which makes it a sad story.
but my point is, she didnt rely on a bum heter and run with it. so its sad that now no one will honor it

I'm waiting for the RSK letter.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2015, 09:15:44 AM »
Why did this come to the forefront now again? Married now? Had a baby? I wasn't following the details.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2015, 09:16:47 AM »


We will probably have to wait on a clear letter from RSK on his position. Nobody will just rely on RNG.
I'm not so sure about that. Although RSK is more nationally acclaimed, in this inyan RNG is known to being the expert.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2015, 09:17:20 AM »
I'm not so sure about that. Although RSK is more nationally acclaimed, in this inyan RNG is known to being the expert.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2015, 09:17:37 AM »
-1 man buys the woman.
And who is the "seller"?
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