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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #360 on: November 27, 2015, 02:02:59 PM »
Seriously? You haven't gotten the point that rabbis don't use "smoke and mirrors". "Smoke and mirrors" is what you do to get free stuff and miles and points all the other things out of this forum (which me myself is very thankful for). Rabbis don't do smoke and mirrors. And your wrong for saying that. But then again you don't care.
Precisely why the rabbis have vociferously protested against this "heter". We're still waiting to hear to whom you are referring as "rabbis" (plural).

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #361 on: November 27, 2015, 02:04:59 PM »
Precisely why the rabbis have vociferously protested against this "heter". We're still waiting to hear to whom you are referring as "rabbis" (plural).
CS50 has not discussed one bit about the heter. He did take issue with the coward who wrote about roshei yeshiva.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #362 on: November 27, 2015, 02:05:08 PM »

Precisely why the rabbis have vociferously protested against this "heter". We're still waiting to hear to whom you are referring as "rabbis" (plural).
Again, I am sorry. I mean rabbis (who are accepted to the klal as real rabbis)  in general don't use the tactic of smoke and mirrors to get things done especially if it is shelo kehalacho. That's all. I didn't mean anything else

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #363 on: November 27, 2015, 02:06:48 PM »
Again, I am sorry. I mean rabbis (who are accepted to the klal as real rabbis)  in general don't use the tactic of smoke and mirrors to get things done especially if it is shelo kehalacho. That's all. I didn't mean anything else
I liked my answer better.

CS50 has not discussed one bit about the heter. He did take issue with the coward who wrote about roshei yeshiva.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #364 on: November 27, 2015, 02:09:37 PM »
Again, I am sorry. I mean rabbis (who are accepted to the klal as real rabbis)  in general don't use the tactic of smoke and mirrors to get things done especially if it is shelo kehalacho. That's all. I didn't mean anything else
Understood. :)
I can't imagine that anyone would take issue with that. (You know what I mean!)

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #365 on: November 27, 2015, 02:11:52 PM »
Understood. :)
I can't imagine that anyone would take issue with that. (You know what I mean!)
Unfortunately someone is
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #366 on: November 27, 2015, 02:16:32 PM »
If you are going to speak like this about people whose torah and yiras shomayim is countless times greater than yours at least have the courage to put your own reputation on the line! Your smoke and mirrors are much smokier than theirs!

You are speaking against those greater than you with nothing but innuendo and you have not written even a tiny bit in the way of facts to back up your shmutz!

The bigger they are the harder they fall.

A women re-married without a Get

R Shalom Kamenetsky seems to be involved in the heter

The biggest and most respected POSKIM have called out the Kaminetsky's and said that they have proof that they were involved

aygart would rather stick his head in the sand and make believe that this is not happening 

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #367 on: November 27, 2015, 02:19:24 PM »

The bigger they are the harder they fall.

A women re-married without a Get

R Shalom Kamenetsky seems to be involved in the heter

The biggest and most respected POSKIM have called out the Kaminetsky's and said that they have proof that they were involved

aygart would rather stick his head in the sand and make believe that this is not happening
No one is denying anything you just said- because no one knows what really happened. But one thing everyone here does know is that you are not one of the leading POSKIM who are involved so you're no one to voice your opinion on the matter in a negative way against any rabbi. And if you have no problem with what you are doing then you are someone that no one should want to have anything to do with.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #368 on: November 27, 2015, 02:26:53 PM »
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מאמר שבועי בדרכי עבודת ה' וענייני הזמן 


מפי מרן רבינו   


הגאון רבי משה שטרנבוך שליט"א 


פרשת וישלח תשע''ז




אין לי מנוחה כשעה כזאת שהפרצות כעיקרי הדת מתגברות והולכות בארץ ובחו"ל, ואין שומעים מספיק קול מחאה על חילול ה' ותורתו, ובאמריקה נתנו 'היתר' :'בטל קידושין בלא גט בטענת מקח טעות, ואף שנבלה נעשתה בישראל כמו פילגש בגבעה מ"מ לא פורסם מספיק קול מחאה.


הדבר פשוט שאין כאן הוראה אלא טעות מעיקרא, שכל בחור ישיבה יודע שאם לאחר שידע מהמום המשיך להשתמש בו אח"כ, אין דין מקח טעות, ולכו"ע תצא :מזה ומזה והוולד ממזר .


וחובה להצטער ולהוקיע מה שנעשה בעו"ה, והחילול ה' הוא נורא מאוד כשרבנים עוקרים בשם התורה יסוד דיני אישות, וכבר כתב מהרש"ל בפ"ק דב"ק שהוא ביהרג ובל יעבור שלא יעקרו דין תורה. ובארץ ישראל בשעה שהתיר הרב ראשי ממזר, ולדבריו חתמו עמו עשרה רבנים, צירה הגאב"ד בעל מנחת יצחק וגדולי ישראל זצ"ל לכנוס את כולם וישבו בארץ ואמרו קינות, ורבים קרעו עמו בגדיהם על חילול כבוד ה' ותורתו, ואף שהוא התיר ממזר שהוא באיסור לאו, וכאן הפרצה היא על איסור אשת איש שחמור יותר, מ"מ לא שמעו עדיין קול מחאה מספיק. ומצווה למחות אף אם לא יוכלו לפעול, שעצם הדבר שמוחים הוא זכות רבה מאוד, וישוב חרון אף ה' על עמו שפוגעים בתורתו, שהרי קיבלנו ערבות לשמור התורה לנצח לעולם וועד.


ומפי מו"ר הגה"צ רבי משה שניידער זצ"ל שמעתי כמה פעמים שבשמים מצפים ושואלים האם נשמע קול מחאה, ואם נשמע קול מחאה, אז מתקיים מאמר הכתוב (מלאב' ג' ט"ז) "ויקשב ה' וישמע ויכתב ספר זיכרון לפניו ליראי ה' ולחושבי שמו", ויהי רצון שיהא חלקינו עמהם".

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #369 on: November 27, 2015, 02:59:58 PM »
The biggest and most respected POSKIM have called out the Kaminetsky's and said that they have proof that they were involved
They only thing close to that which I saw is from R Shterbuch saying that he heard of their invlovment from a reliable source (different from the inaccurate translation previously posted)
aygart would rather stick his head in the sand and make believe that this is not happening 
If you are so sure of the facts then why don't you at least have the courage to put your DDF persona (not even your real name) on the line instead of hiding? As I wrote before, you have stated absolutely zero in the way of fact or evidence and did nothing but speak against people who tower over you in a cowardly way.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #370 on: November 27, 2015, 03:01:02 PM »

They only thing close to that which I saw is from R Shterbuch saying that he heard of their invlovment from a reliable source (different from the inaccurate translation previously posted)If you are so sure of the facts then why don't you at least have the courage to put your DDF persona (not even your real name) on the line instead of hiding? As I wrote before, you have stated absolutely zero in the way of fact or evidence and did nothing but speak against people who tower over you in a cowardly way.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #371 on: November 27, 2015, 03:02:16 PM »
I'm still really curious how/why R. Nota was mesader.

Also, what was the reaction to R' Moshe's teshuva regarding mekach ta'us.  Was it generally accepted back then that it's a possibility?  Or the same type of backlash as this?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #372 on: November 29, 2015, 01:31:39 AM »
The bigger they are the harder they fall.

A women re-married without a Get

R Shalom Kamenetsky seems to be involved in the heter

The biggest and most respected POSKIM have called out the Kaminetsky's and said that they have proof that they were involved

aygart would rather stick his head in the sand and make believe that this is not happening 
Seems like you have a real axe to grind. Everyone has questions about what happened here, but you seem to be very eager to pile on. You sure you have no connection to the original ba'al?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #373 on: November 29, 2015, 03:27:58 AM »
No one is denying anything you just said- because no one knows what really happened. But one thing everyone here does know is that you are not one of the leading POSKIM who are involved so you're no one to voice your opinion on the matter in a negative way against any rabbi. And if you have no problem with what you are doing then you are someone that no one should want to have anything to do with.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #374 on: November 29, 2015, 04:54:30 AM »
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What's the -1 about do you know the truth to this story because if you do share it and if not what he said is 100% right

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #375 on: November 29, 2015, 07:14:14 AM »

What's the -1 about do you know the truth to this story because if you do share it and if not what he said is 100% right
I'm pretty sure the -1 is that people on DDF like protecting their own(DDF) more than protecting their own (gedolim)

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #376 on: November 29, 2015, 08:00:20 AM »
all armchair rabbis should take a deeep breath  and look at what the chofetz chaim zt"l writes about talking bad  about talmidei chachamim, that might give them a slight interest in keeping their mouths shut.... even if they happen to have countless proofs that theu should be the leading poskim in america
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #377 on: November 29, 2015, 08:12:12 AM »

all armchair rabbis should take a deeep breath  and look at what the chofetz chaim zt"l writes about talking bad  about talmidei chachamim, that might give them a slight interest in keeping their mouths shut.... even if they happen to have countless proofs that theu should be the leading poskim in america
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #378 on: November 29, 2015, 08:21:15 AM »
I'm pretty sure the -1 is that people on DDF like protecting their own(DDF) more than protecting their own (gedolim)
What did that have to do with your comment?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #379 on: November 29, 2015, 08:28:28 AM »

The bigger they are the harder they fall.

A women re-married without a Get

R Shalom Kamenetsky seems to be involved in the heter

The biggest and most respected POSKIM have called out the Kaminetsky's and said that they have proof that they were involved

aygart would rather stick his head in the sand and make believe that this is not happening
I was replying to this. It's seems like he knows all the details of the story. The leading poskim who have voiced their opinion against this "heter" are gedolim. Not us. That's all