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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #840 on: December 20, 2015, 03:33:08 PM »
Not really.  I went to a Yeshivish high school and have certainly heard of him from there.
You sure you heard of him and not the rivevos Ephraim?


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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #841 on: December 20, 2015, 03:34:28 PM »
You sure you heard of him and not the rivevos Ephraim?

Yep, both.  I think he's more well known in the yeshivish velt than you think..

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #842 on: December 20, 2015, 03:55:40 PM »
Yep, both.  I think he's more well known in the yeshivish velt than you think..
If he hasn't published seforim, has virtually no talmidim and lives out in the boondocks I don't see how or why the velt should know of him...

Any normal even haezer question i have heard of is usually handled by established botei din. The big shailos in even haezer are generally moved up to senior gedolim by the botay din. (R belski in the USA, but mostly R Elyashiv zl, R Nisim karelitz's and others.)

It seems like RNG has been used to pasken shailos for the more out of town type of crowd. Not necessarily modern Orthodox, but he is definitely not one of the regular yeshivish used poskim.


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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #843 on: December 20, 2015, 04:41:00 PM »
I'd heard of him in yeshiva when discussing gittin. I was also present at an OOT get where he was the shliach haget (and had fedexed it to OOT and appointed the local rabbi sheliach).


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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #844 on: December 20, 2015, 04:44:37 PM »
He is one probably the top person in america for gittin. He flies under the radar because he lives in Memphis but is considered by everyone even in the yeshivish crowd(not in EY)  as a the top gun in gittin.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #845 on: December 20, 2015, 04:51:18 PM »
He is one probably the top person in america for gittin. He flies under the radar because he lives in Memphis but is considered by everyone even in the yeshivish crowd(not in EY)  as a the top gun in gittin.
Aren't gitting done in a bais din??

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #846 on: December 20, 2015, 06:29:55 PM »
I don't know what's done in big cities but what rav nota was always famous for was traveling all over the south and being mesadder gittin for everyone.  Btw he also was the posek for many eruvin and mikvaos.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #847 on: December 20, 2015, 06:40:38 PM »
Aren't gitting done in a bais din??

Not many that I know of.  In the Rav's shul office with 2 edim.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #848 on: December 20, 2015, 06:44:58 PM »
iinm ones only helps for the husband not the boel
Maybe that's when the boel was me'anes, but not here where they're both shogagim.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #849 on: December 21, 2015, 01:18:42 PM »
Aren't gitting done in a bais din??

It dose not  have to be in a beis din. Even when they are if  any sticky situation arises where a its not clear cut case they will contact reb nota
Any gittin in  Florida Gerogia  Texas and any other community around there he pretty much does the gittin himself.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #850 on: December 21, 2015, 01:20:24 PM »
It dose not  have to be in a beis din. Even when they are if  any sticky situation arises where a its not clear cut case they will contact reb nota
Any gittin in  Florida Gerogia  Texas and any other community around there he pretty much does the gittin himself.

All gittin are done in beis din, but that frequently means done by a rav who shelps in a couple of local kollel guys to be his second and third.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #851 on: December 21, 2015, 01:28:16 PM »
Yes they are all done in the presence of 3 . Not a established beis din Ive been in the room of a few gittin.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #852 on: December 21, 2015, 01:50:06 PM »
It dose not  have to be in a beis din. Even when they are if  any sticky situation arises where a its not clear cut case they will contact reb nota
Any gittin in  Florida Gerogia  Texas and any other community around there he pretty much does the gittin himself.
Ok I agree, he is the go to Rov to arrange a quick and smooth get out of town. So what.


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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #853 on: December 21, 2015, 02:23:57 PM »
Ok I agree, he is the go to Rov to arrange a quick and smooth get out of town. So what.

Your chutzpah is so apparent here...

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #854 on: December 21, 2015, 02:27:35 PM »
Your chutzpah is so apparent here...
I am not hiding the fact that I am debating the premiss that R Notta Greenblatt has the title "Gadol hador leinyaney Gittin"

If you feel that this is chutzpah that is your prerogative.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #855 on: December 21, 2015, 02:29:30 PM »
I am not hiding the fact that I am debating the premiss that R Notta Greenblatt has the title "Gadol hador leinyaney Gittin"

If you feel that this is chutzpah that is your prerogative.
You obviously don't know enough about the inyan of gittin to spew your opinion on this matter.  If you did, you would've at least heard of him. It seems that until this saga, you've never even knew he existed.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #858 on: December 21, 2015, 03:11:46 PM »
"One of the yungeleit in BMG spoke to his brother who learns in the Memphis yeshiva. He asked rabbi G if it's true. He adamantly denied it. He says I gave a psak and nothing will make me rescind it."

I thought the yeshiva in Memphis shut down?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #859 on: December 21, 2015, 03:20:07 PM »
You obviously don't know enough about the inyan of gittin to spew your opinion on this matter.  If you did, you would've at least heard of him. It seems that until this saga, you've never even knew he existed.
First of all, I disagree with the premiss that hearing of R Notta Greenblatt is synonymous with knowing about inyoney gittin.


The point I am making is that many people here have attempted to defend the heter by saying that RNG is the "Gadol hador leinyaney Gittin", and is therefore a Bal pelugsa on kol gedolay hador who have decried his actions here.