The Tamar Epstein Saga

[Moshe123]

i agree, which makes it a sad story.
but my point is, she didnt rely on a bum heter and run with it. so its sad that now no one will honor it

I'm waiting for the RSK letter.

[Moshe123]

Why did this come to the forefront now again? Married now? Had a baby? I wasn't following the details.

[Dr Moose]

We will probably have to wait on a clear letter from RSK on his position. Nobody will just rely on RNG.

I'm not so sure about that. Although RSK is more nationally acclaimed, in this inyan RNG is known to being the expert.

[dealfinder85]

I'm not so sure about that. Although RSK is more nationally acclaimed, in this inyan RNG is known to being the expert.

exactly

[aygart]

-1 man buys the woman.

And who is the "seller"?

[avromie7]

but she didnt get a heter from IBD or something. she got a heter from one of the leading poskim in america

Who also happens to be her neighbor

[Moshe123]

I'm not so sure about that. Although RSK is more nationally acclaimed, in this inyan RNG is known to being the expert.

Yeah, but not someone most poskim will rely on for such a complex case. it's above his pay grade.

[aygart]

A friend posted this on Facebook. I thought it was apt.

Thankfully there are loopholes available to solve pressing issues in halacha.
Can't charge interest? Heter Iska.
Can't work the land on Shmita? Heter Mechira.
Can't carry on shabbos? Eiruv Chatzeiros.
Can't walk far on Shabbat? Eruv Tchumin.
Can't enforce a loan after Shmita? Pruzbol.
Can't own chametz on pesach? Mechirat Chametz (with a bonus Bitul),
Can't cook on Yom Tov for Shabbat? Eruv Tavshilin.
Promised to do something? Hatarat Nedarim.
First born that has to fast on erev pesach? Siyum.
Want to eat meat during the 9 days? Siyum.
A woman wont agree to divorce her husband? Heter Meya Rabonim.
A man wont give his wife a get? Sorry, there's nothing we can do. Halacha is Halacha.

I have some more.

Can't eat meat? Get it shechted
Can't have relations with a random woman (or vise versa)? get married
Cant have relations with your spouse? she should go to the mikva
Can't eat the fruit in E"Y? take off trumos and maasros
Can't cut your beard? use a scissors


Can't go through the intersection? Wait for a green light
Can't get narcotic pain killers? get a prescription
Can't drive a car? get a license

So many loopholes.

[good sam]

And who is the "seller"?

1. The seller doesn't have a claim of mekach taos for a defect in the object of the sale.

2. The husband is not the object of the sale.

[dealfinder85]

Who also happens to be her neighbor

shes from memphis?

[Moshe123]

I have some more.

Can't eat meat? Get it shechted
Can't have relations with a random woman (or vise versa)? get married
Cant have relations with your spouse? she should go to the mikva
Can't eat the fruit in E"Y? take off trumos and maasros
Can't cut your beard? use a scissors


Can't go through the intersection? Wait for a green light
Can't get narcotic pain killers? get a prescription
Can't drive a car? get a license

So many loopholes.

lol

[avromie7]

shes from memphis?

no she's from phily

[dealfinder85]

no she's from phily

right...so since when does rav nota live in philly?

[avromie7]

right...so since when does rav nota live in philly?

The source behind his psak is in philly

[good sam]

right...so since when does rav nota live in philly?

No jurisdiction?

[dealfinder85]

No jurisdiction?

havent been following the back and forth...

The source behind his psak is in philly

so i stand corrected, as i thought it was based on rav nota
in any event, are you really implying that rav shmuel would issue a psak as weighty and as public as this simply bc he knows her personally?

[avromie7]

havent been following the back and forth...so i stand corrected, as i thought it was based on rav nota
in any event, are you really implying that rav shmuel would issue a psak as weighty and as public as this simply bc he knows her personally?

RNG based his psak off of RSK

[dealfinder85]

RNG based his psak off of RSK

so i got that the first time you said that

The source behind his psak is in philly

but how do you explain this statement of yours

Who also happens to be her neighbor

[avromie7]

so i got that the first time you said thatbut how do you explain this statement of yours

You are correct that the one who actually gave the heter is not her neighbor but all the weight of the psak comes from her neighbor

[Dr Moose]

RNG based his psak off of RSK

Where did you see this?