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הוי זהיר בגחלתם שלא תכוה, שנשיכתן נשיכת שועל ועקיצתן עקיצת עקרב, ולחישתן לחישת שרף, וכל דבריהם כגחלי אש

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1380 on: January 24, 2016, 09:53:14 AM »

not readable
+1
You can see it in daattorah
They say to bring the matter in front if a BD to decide if the heter is valid (AKA, to decide that the heter is invalid). I still don't get what's going on. Are R' Sholom/R' Shmuel/R' Nota just ignoring everything that is being written?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1381 on: January 24, 2016, 10:24:44 AM »
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 I still don't get what's going on. Are R' Sholom/R' Shmuel/R' Nota just ignoring everything that is being written?
Maybe the policy of only coming out against the Heter instead of the Materim isn't working.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1382 on: January 24, 2016, 10:48:53 AM »
Maybe the policy of only coming out against the Heter instead of the Materim isn't working.
Except that it hasn't yet happened to know if that is the case.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1383 on: January 24, 2016, 10:50:52 AM »
Except that it hasn't yet happened to know if that is the case.
WHat hasn't happened?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1384 on: January 24, 2016, 10:52:11 AM »
WHat hasn't happened?
A policy of only going after the heter.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1385 on: January 24, 2016, 11:02:11 AM »
A policy of only going after the heter.
There have been maybe 20 or 30 letters and all of them came out against the Heter but almost none of them have mentioned the Materim

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1386 on: January 24, 2016, 11:18:30 AM »

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1387 on: January 24, 2016, 11:20:59 AM »


I still don't get what's going on. Are R' Sholom/R' Shmuel/R' Nota just ignoring everything that is being written?
I think what is being tried now is to extract a get from husband to avoid further embarrassment..

That is why Baltimore issued an appology. Etc

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1388 on: January 24, 2016, 11:48:32 AM »
There have been maybe 20 or 30 letters and all of them came out against the Heter but almost none of them have mentioned the Materim
Protests and uninvites count
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1389 on: January 24, 2016, 12:51:29 PM »
I think what is being tried now is to extract a get from husband to avoid further embarrassment..

That is why Baltimore issued an appology. Etc
That's my perception as well.

And no one will care about issur l'boel?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1390 on: January 24, 2016, 01:04:45 PM »
That's my perception as well.

And no one will care about issur l'boel?
Nah, they'll say that she was an ones and move on. No ones honor will be disturbed but gds.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1391 on: January 24, 2016, 04:34:41 PM »

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1392 on: January 25, 2016, 03:49:23 PM »

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1393 on: January 25, 2016, 03:53:50 PM »
I have a friend that got divorced as his wife decided to become not religious. His wife received a get they have 2 children. She was dating a Kohen, and because she heard all of the going on with this case she decided to  go to Rabbi Riskin to get her marriage annulled as a Mekach Tos so that she can marry a Kohen.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1394 on: January 25, 2016, 03:57:02 PM »
I have a friend that got divorced as his wife decided to become not religious. His wife received a get they have 2 children. She was dating a Kohen, and because she heard all of the going on with this case she decided to  go to Rabbi Riskin to get her marriage annulled as a Mekach Tos so that she can marry a Kohen.

A:  What does the have to do with this case?
B:  Why would she care if she wasn't religious?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1395 on: January 25, 2016, 04:07:05 PM »
A:  What does the have to do with this case?
B:  Why would she care if she wasn't religious?

1) A major complaint about the heter being used, is that it will be abused. This story supposedly confirms those worries.

2) Why do goyim convert to get married to Jews?
Because they like the guy and are willing to do what it takes to get married.
Same thing here.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1396 on: January 25, 2016, 04:10:23 PM »
Why not just use the "he's not a kohen" heter?
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1397 on: January 25, 2016, 04:26:56 PM »

It is interesting how this is the only thing we have heard from him.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1398 on: January 25, 2016, 04:33:33 PM »
A:  What does the have to do with this case?

Everything!
This case has all but ruined the sanctity of an orthodox marriage al pi halacha.

This is no joke. - Soon every two bit pulpit rabbi will be annulling marriages left and right if this doesn't end properly.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1399 on: January 25, 2016, 04:35:03 PM »
Why not just use the "he's not a kohen" heter?
Why not just all the way? Much cleaner to just annul the whole thing.
Smh