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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1360 on: May 05, 2016, 06:02:34 PM »
Huh if this conversation is working with assumption that America got what it wants why are getting a third party candidate
Obviously they didn't get exactly what they where looking for (at least I hope not), but based on who's left shows us the general direction of a candidate we would need to bring out, who can sway them away from the real crazies.
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1361 on: May 05, 2016, 08:18:12 PM »
Huh if this conversation is working with assumption that America got what it wants why are getting a third party candidate

Not necessarily what America wants# but probably what we deserve.
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1363 on: May 05, 2016, 11:36:06 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-the-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/

Wow, that's brilliant. Reminds me of a YouTube video posted several pages back analyzing Trump's language.

Also of note, Rush Limbaugh said yesterday that he thinks Trump might have a landslide win.
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1364 on: May 06, 2016, 12:50:15 AM »

Wow, that's brilliant. Reminds me of a YouTube video posted several pages back analyzing Trump's language.

Also of note, Rush Limbaugh said yesterday that he thinks Trump might have a landslide win.
Rush said the same thing about Romney in 2012.

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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1365 on: May 06, 2016, 01:03:26 AM »
Trump needs a 10 point poll boost in the swing states to win. Is that possible this far out, sure. But 10 points is a lot. I am surprised that many leading republicans are refusing to back him now that he is the presumptive nominee. I wonder if that will hurt him.

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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1366 on: May 06, 2016, 07:07:21 AM »
Trump needs a 10 point poll boost in the swing states to win. Is that possible this far out, sure. But 10 points is a lot. I am surprised that many leading republicans are refusing to back him now that he is the presumptive nominee. I wonder if that will hurt him.

See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/05/five-not-totally-crazy-electoral-maps-that-show-donald-trump-winning/

As for establishment GOP making statements about not backing Trump (at this point) I think it hurts them more than it hurts him.
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1367 on: May 06, 2016, 07:26:23 AM »
See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/05/five-not-totally-crazy-electoral-maps-that-show-donald-trump-winning/

As for establishment GOP making statements about not backing Trump (at this point) I think it hurts them more than it hurts him.

Several of those states they have trump as winning are currently solid in the Clinton territory. The maps are possibly but Trump
Will have an uphill battle getting there.

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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1368 on: May 06, 2016, 07:55:23 AM »
Trumpkins are going to have their dreams shattered come November. They'll scream rigged polls until then.

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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1369 on: May 06, 2016, 09:36:37 AM »
Trumpkins are going to have their dreams shattered come November. They'll scream rigged polls until then.

I don't know how or why,but statements like yours just make me believe it will be a Trump win in November (given how things panned out over the last several months).
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1370 on: May 06, 2016, 09:39:22 AM »
Trumpkins are going to have their dreams shattered come November. They'll scream rigged polls until then.
The only candidate that had a dream is HRC and BO took care of that.
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1371 on: May 06, 2016, 09:55:34 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-the-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/
I think he gives to much credit to trump. At best I would say he did a lot of this stuff naturally without realizing it. I don't think he is that calculated

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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1372 on: May 06, 2016, 09:57:40 AM »
I don't know how or why,but statements like yours just make me believe it will be a Trump win in November (given how things panned out over the last several months).

Trump has been the most steady candidate in the polls since September. The bulk of his increase came from Carson dropping out, which is not unexpected. Not sure why people discrediting polls point to Trump's success in the republican primaries, since those polls paint the opposite figure (as a whole. Obviously there are a few exceptions).

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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1373 on: May 06, 2016, 10:59:33 AM »
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1374 on: May 06, 2016, 11:27:59 AM »
See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/05/five-not-totally-crazy-electoral-maps-that-show-donald-trump-winning/

As for establishment GOP making statements about not backing Trump (at this point) I think it hurts them more than it hurts him.
All these statement by leading Republican figures are simple, all those who didnt get caught up in the trump phenomenon need to be explained to them why they should vote for him, why hes any better than Hillary. Theyre not caught up in the hype and the hate, they want substance, real conviction, no flip flopping policy, and most importantly conservative policy. They're just as sick of trump as they are of hilliary. His opinions of abortion, minimum wage, gay marriage, tariffs and trade wars among others  have got to stay consistent. The meaning behind Paul Ryans comments, that hes not ready is simply, i want to vote for you etc but youll need to convince me, i dont go for the hype. I believe that a nice percentage of nevertrumpers would gladly vote for him if he comes out and explains why, not just because "millions of people came to the party because of me" or "we're winning winning winning". The claim of "lets unify", is true, but to unify you must be all inclusive not just because millions follow like blind sheep.

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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1375 on: May 06, 2016, 12:49:30 PM »
All these statement by leading Republican figures are simple, all those who didnt get caught up in the trump phenomenon need to be explained to them why they should vote for him, why hes any better than Hillary. Theyre not caught up in the hype and the hate, they want substance, real conviction, no flip flopping policy, and most importantly conservative policy. They're just as sick of trump as they are of hilliary. His opinions of abortion, minimum wage, gay marriage, tariffs and trade wars among others  have got to stay consistent. The meaning behind Paul Ryans comments, that hes not ready is simply, i want to vote for you etc but youll need to convince me, i dont go for the hype. I believe that a nice percentage of nevertrumpers would gladly vote for him if he comes out and explains why, not just because "millions of people came to the party because of me" or "we're winning winning winning". The claim of "lets unify", is true, but to unify you must be all inclusive not just because millions follow like blind sheep.
Well said. It seems like paul ryan is not against trump. He isjust looking for a reason to back him, which he has yet to find.
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1376 on: May 06, 2016, 01:06:30 PM »
Well said. It seems like paul ryan is not against trump. He isjust looking for a reason to back him, which he has yet to find.

Those were my initial thoughts, and current hopes. However, there is something about making a public statement rather than just reaching out, doing background work, keeping quiet for a while, and then making a statement. What is gained by making such a statement AT THIS POINT?
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1377 on: May 06, 2016, 01:15:08 PM »
Those were my initial thoughts, and current hopes. However, there is something about making a public statement rather than just reaching out, doing background work, keeping quiet for a while, and then making a statement. What is gained by making such a statement AT THIS POINT?
There is more to be gained now than ever. At the end of the day Trump cannot win without R votes. He is making a statment that they should not be taken for granted even though he was not part of #nevertrump
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1378 on: May 06, 2016, 01:18:23 PM »
There is more to be gained now than ever. At the end of the day Trump cannot win without R votes. He is making a statment that they should not be taken for granted even though he was not part of #nevertrump

If one really cares, one does background work, do you really think public statements (which are usually very hollow - just like a lot of Trump's statements are) matter AT THIS POINT for getting trump to convince R voters? Don't forget (pun intended) people's memories are very short. So many things can happen between now and November, and we know Trump is an expert salesperson, it's his last move that will count, not anything said now.
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Re: GOP Master thread
« Reply #1379 on: May 06, 2016, 01:34:32 PM »
If one really cares, one does background work, do you really think public statements (which are usually very hollow - just like a lot of Trump's statements are) matter AT THIS POINT for getting trump to convince R voters? Don't forget (pun intended) people's memories are very short. So many things can happen between now and November, and we know Trump is an expert salesperson, it's his last move that will count, not anything said now.
Sure, but the push is on to have Trump stake out conservative positions, conservative VP, conservative advisers etc.
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