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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2015, 10:01:45 PM »
I have an 8 month old girl someone please break this down for me???
If it is real, you can pay under $300 a year with a guaranteed $15K pay out after 15 years. Call your local all state agent to see if this is legit/to buy.
This is assuming you have $1 million in life insurance
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #101 on: December 02, 2015, 10:04:15 PM »
Everyone I've talked to about this (aside from the people in this thread) laughed and thought it was crazy.

I'm quite shocked. So many long-time DDFers in here believe this is real.
Wasn't there a real contract from all state posted?
I wouldn't buy it from these chasuna fund people, but what's to lose by calling your local all state agent and seeing if they have this pricing? If you sign a legit contract with all state, how could this not be real?
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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2015, 10:07:16 PM »
^MT on 10K!

Wasn't there a real contract from all state posted?
I wouldn't buy it from these chasuna fund people, but what's to lose by calling your local all state agent and seeing if they have this pricing? If you sign a legit contract with all state, how could this not be real?
A mistake at best, but doubtful to be honored. No one can promise such a return, and if it's real and a mistake, it would likely be cancelled like most price mistakes.

Want to save money for your kids future? You'd be safer with getting some 2-3% bonds. Why so low? Because that's a number people can guarantee you.  ;D

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2015, 10:12:06 PM »
^MT on 10K!
A mistake at best, but doubtful to be honored. No one can promise such a return, and if it's real and a mistake, it would likely be cancelled like most price mistakes.

Want to save money for your kids future? You'd be safer with getting some 2-3% bonds. Why so low? Because that's a number people can guarantee you.  ;D
Unlike most price mistakes, they don't come with a binding contract, hence the difference. Yes, a safe bond is a nice place to save for your kids' future (although assuming you don't need the cash immediately I'd probably be more aggressive than that). But if you can be guaranteed more by a legit company (who you know couldn't possibly guarantee you that, but can afford the loss) isn't that better?
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2015, 10:13:51 PM »
will try and call an allstate agent tomorrow

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2015, 10:29:00 PM »
Insurance is highly regulated. I'm confident that if you buy it from an allstate agent it would be honored.

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2015, 10:32:49 PM »
will try and call an allstate agent tomorrow
i had an allstate agent - highly respected and in the business for 27 years- offer it to me. the fine print mentions something about a sibling also needing to have life insurance so havent gotten around to doing anything about it.
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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2015, 10:44:16 PM »
If it's a mistake, it would be shut down by now. This has been going on for a while. I know people who submitted applications, and were accepted.
So to all out there, this is real.

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2015, 11:10:19 PM »
What do I have/can I have to lose by doing it through a Jewish broker?
Why not give another yid parnassah?
Unless I am missing something here?
« Last Edit: December 02, 2015, 11:15:18 PM by smiley face »

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2015, 11:13:54 PM »


^MT on 10K!
A mistake at best, but doubtful to be honored. No one can promise such a return, and if it's real and a mistake, it would likely be cancelled like most price mistakes.

Want to save money for your kids future? You'd be safer with getting some 2-3% bonds. Why so low? Because that's a number people can guarantee you.  ;D

You are so wrong about this! No such thing as price mistake those processing these contracts are done by human people, policies don't just get issued! And this is All-State a huge insurance company, not some random guy selling investments!

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2015, 11:14:32 PM »
What do I have/can I have to lose by doing it through a Jewish agent?
Why not give another yid parnassah?
Unless I am missing something here?
You don't find a Jewish agent

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #111 on: December 02, 2015, 11:15:37 PM »
i had an allstate agent - highly respected and in the business for 27 years- offer it to me. the fine print mentions something about a sibling also needing to have life insurance so havent gotten around to doing anything about it.
a sibling?

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #112 on: December 02, 2015, 11:16:30 PM »
You don't find a Jewish agent
fixed, meant broker.

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2015, 11:18:01 PM »
Wasn't there a real contract from all state posted?
I wouldn't buy it from these chasuna fund people, but what's to lose by calling your local all state agent and seeing if they have this pricing? If you sign a legit contract with all state, how could this not be real?
It was actually an illustration, and it states at the top that it's not binding and that the values shown on the contract are the only binding ones. However, there appear to be Allstate agents pushing this mistake (that's not uncommon - for agents/brokers to find a mistake and milk it for all it's worth), who obviously think the contract will come through with the same values. Also, insurance companies are loathe to issue a contract with values that contradict the illustration, even if they have legal standing to do so.
If it's a mistake, it would be shut down by now. This has been going on for a while. I know people who submitted applications, and were accepted.
So to all out there, this is real.
As an actuary, I can assure you that it is a mistake, and it will be shut down. But this is not like a price mistake on some online retailer, that they can just fix it and be done. It takes time.

If you need proof, the fact that it's only NY is a significant flag. All the insurers have a separate subsidiary for selling in NY. The reason is because NY is generally the strictest of the states regarding insurance regulation, and they require that each 'company' comply with those rules even outside of NY. The subsidiary gets around that requirement. That means the pricing is different in that one subsidiary. There's no logical (actuarial) reason for it to be set that way - a data mistake is the likeliest explanation.

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #114 on: December 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM »
a sibling?
Ie, if you have other children (besides the one you're buying this policy for) that sibling also has to have insurance in the same face amount, otherwise underwriting will likely reject the application.

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #115 on: December 02, 2015, 11:37:41 PM »
fixed, meant broker.
It didn't come out wrong, I meant:
 You don't.
 Find a Jewish agent/broker

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #116 on: December 02, 2015, 11:46:53 PM »
Ie, if you have other children (besides the one you're buying this policy for) that sibling also has to have insurance in the same face amount, otherwise underwriting will likely reject the application.
so every sibling in the family needs to have same value insurance at regular price? they might be making their money there
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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #117 on: December 02, 2015, 11:49:50 PM »
So why are they not able to start denying applications and changing the rate structure? Regulatory issues?

so every sibling in the family needs to have same value insurance at regular price? they might be making their money there
Wonder if you can just sign up the other kids and then cancel them....

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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
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Re: Newborn baby girl in New York life insurance deal!
« Reply #119 on: December 02, 2015, 11:59:01 PM »
so every sibling in the family needs to have same value insurance at regular price? they might be making their money there
Here's the text from a different insurer's underwriting guide:
There must be like coverage on siblings (in premium or face amount).

Allstate likely has a similar underwriting requirement.

This is certainly optimal for those with 1 kid, or all their kids are young girls.