Author Topic: Car Blocking My Driveway For 3 days: Should I Tow? (Read 17110 times)

ilherman · « **Reply #40 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:32:36 PM »

Quote from: Venilla on December 13, 2015, 04:28:39 PM

I like your confidence.
I'm no rabbi and never learned CM but the problem with calling police is mesirah. The Halacha you referenced is regarding being mazik ones property.

If you are no rabbi then why ask n00b questions. If you will know what Mesirah means then you will understand why it is not a problem in this case. Buddy, you can't learn CM in one day...

Don't take it personal that your LOR advised wrong. Most Rabbis don't know CM...

Venilla · « **Reply #41 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:32:46 PM »

Quote from: yochiek93 on December 13, 2015, 04:05:34 PM

It does

You're right. Now, if the car is still there tomorrow morning it will get a street cleaning ticket. Will I be able to tow it with that ticket?

Venilla · « **Reply #42 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:34:21 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on December 13, 2015, 04:32:36 PM

Don't take it personal that your LOR advised wrong. Most Rabbis don't know CM...

Not at all. I will call up a CM rabbi.

Centro · « **Reply #43 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:34:32 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on December 13, 2015, 04:27:54 PM

No I heard it from one of the biggest poiskim in Chushen Mishpot.

I always wondered what the halucha is, care to share who you heard it from?

yochiek93 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:38:45 PM »

Quote from: Venilla on December 13, 2015, 04:32:46 PM

You're right. Now, if the car is still there tomorrow morning it will get a street cleaning ticket. Will I be able to tow it with that ticket?

Idk ask here or here

Emkay · « **Reply #45 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:41:04 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on December 13, 2015, 04:27:54 PM

No I heard it from one of the biggest poiskim in Chushen Mishpot. I never answer Halachah questions based on my own logic. Don't mix me up with others...

I find it hard to imagine. I'm gonna ask around to try to replicate that answer

ilherman · « **Reply #46 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:42:45 PM »

Quote from: Centro on December 13, 2015, 04:34:32 PM

I always wondered what the halucha is, care to share who you heard it from?

R' Pinches Wind, to name just one. But every Rav who knows CM well will tell you the same.

sams · « **Reply #47 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:42:58 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on December 13, 2015, 04:32:36 PM

If you are no rabbi then why ask n00b questions. If you will know what Mesirah means then you will understand why it is not a problem in this case. Buddy, you can't learn CM in one day...

Don't take it personal that your LOR advised wrong. Most Rabbis don't know CM...

nunu u getting out and car getting out is different

Venilla · « **Reply #48 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:01:05 PM »

Quote from: Red on December 13, 2015, 04:25:28 PM

my guess is it's stolen

What makes you think it was stolen? Do you live in Brooklyn? Unfortunately many people here don't seem to care.

MosheD · « **Reply #49 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:05:13 PM »

I would like to take this moment to applaud Venilla's honesty and mentchlechkeit. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I will now continue to remain uninvolved.

ilherman · « **Reply #50 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:05:37 PM »

Quote from: sams on December 13, 2015, 04:42:58 PM

nunu u getting out and car getting out is different

Not sure if the Gemurah I quoted is the right one. But the Halachah in CM goes for your belongings as well.

Did you learn CM??

koplonko · « **Reply #51 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:21:50 PM »

The way I see it, that car ain't moving unless it's towed. You have to call police and they will ticket/tow it.

As far as mesira:
If someone breaks into your house, do you call your LOR or the police? In other words you have a issue that only the police could remove, you don't even know if the guy is Jewish, and by now he definitely expects it to have been towed if not worse, so that was his plan as well

joe1234 · « **Reply #52 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:24:00 PM »

you should definitely not tow it. let me take care of it for you... i can also use an extra spot...

skyguy918 · « **Reply #53 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:01:02 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on December 13, 2015, 04:15:34 PM

There is no problem according to Halachah to either break that guys car in order to get out or to call the police. End of story.

Tell your LOR to learn Chushem Mishput again

הממלא חצר חבירו כדי יין וכדי שמן: בעל החצר משבר ויוצא, משבר ונכנס That is what the Mechaber holds as well.

If you do damage the car - let's assume it might be a goy's or a Jew that's gonna take you to secular court - the judge won't care that you had a right al pi halacha. So right or wrong al pi halacha, that's not particularly helpful advice.

David Smith · « **Reply #54 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:04:58 PM »

I don't know if i would call giving someone's property over to the police mesirah. That's an interesting psak.

akivak · « **Reply #55 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:13:19 PM »

Btw putting oil on the street and tiers won't work
Pm if you want to know how to move it

David Smith · « **Reply #56 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:16:08 PM »

Quote from: akivak on December 13, 2015, 06:13:19 PM

Btw putting oil on the street and tiers won't work
Pm if you want to know how to move it

I've seen four car jacks with wheels used.

grodnoking · « **Reply #57 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:23:51 PM »

Quote from: Venilla on December 13, 2015, 04:32:46 PM

You're right. Now, if the car is still there tomorrow morning it will get a street cleaning ticket. Will I be able to tow it with that ticket?

And if it stolen and listed they'll also find out when the give the ticket.

grodnoking · « **Reply #58 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:26:01 PM »

If you want to damage someones car but not permanently on a hot summer day, pour syrup on the windows and let it dry

ilherman · « **Reply #59 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:28:49 PM »

Quote from: skyguy918 on December 13, 2015, 06:01:02 PM

If you do damage the car - let's assume it might be a goy's or a Jew that's gonna take you to secular court - the judge won't care that you had a right al pi halacha. So right or wrong al pi halacha, that's not particularly helpful advice.

Where did you see me giving any advice on that post?

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