Author Topic: The Future of Lakewood  (Read 41971 times)

Offline MarkS

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 3706
  • Total likes: 11
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #120 on: January 03, 2016, 09:59:08 PM »
http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2016/01/audio-conversation-on-poverty-in.html?m=1

Aaron Kotler starts around 15:00

Discussing the viability of the kollel model

Offline Centro

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: May 2012
  • Posts: 2973
  • Total likes: 3
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 33
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #121 on: January 03, 2016, 10:00:45 PM »

Offline thaber

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 2774
  • Total likes: 130
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
    • View Profile
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #122 on: January 03, 2016, 10:04:58 PM »
@CBC is an asset to Lakewood (and DDF)  :)
I never intended to insinuate otherwise. So is Dr. Shanik. (not DDF, as far as I know).

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7128
  • Total likes: 262
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #123 on: January 03, 2016, 10:21:16 PM »
@CBC is an asset to Lakewood (and DDF)  :)
Aww thanks, I needed that !

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7128
  • Total likes: 262
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #124 on: January 03, 2016, 10:22:15 PM »


  Dr. Shanik. (not DDF, as far as I know).
Lol

Offline Dawie

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Gold Elite
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jan 2015
  • Posts: 881
  • Total likes: 50
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: BLM
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #125 on: January 04, 2016, 11:55:08 AM »
The claim of BMG having a no shtreimal rule, is totally blown out of proportion.
And it definitely wasn't followed even 20 years ago.
It was at best an unspoken rule 50 years ago.
I actually asked someone last night, someone who holds of himself as a talmid of R' Schneur and he insisted it was a Hakapada
So i stand corrected as well
and on that vein he also had a hakpada against Mitzva Tanzen by weddings

Offline Iz

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Posts: 5664
  • Total likes: 97
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 13
    • View Profile
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #126 on: January 04, 2016, 12:23:22 PM »
I actually asked someone last night, someone who holds of himself as a talmid of R' Schneur and he insisted it was a Hakapada
So i stand corrected as well
and on that vein he also had a hakpada against Mitzva Tanzen by weddings
Chassidim are famously very proud of and makpid on their mesorah/minhagim. Nowadays, it's not so common to see this by Bnei Yeshivos. But the old time Litvishe Roshei Yeshivos certainly had this. That's (at least partly) what this is about.

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7128
  • Total likes: 262
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #127 on: January 04, 2016, 01:53:24 PM »
It was more about the concept of tzuras hayshiva and the fact that chasidim have difficulties fully shteling tzu to the sedorim, Zemanim and mahalach of the yeshiva.
R Shneiur felt that a shtreimal is a stira to a proper tzurah.

(You have to be very yeshivish to understand this, don't worry if not.) ;)

Offline Freddie

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 3098
  • Total likes: 235
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: Pittsburgh
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #128 on: January 04, 2016, 02:12:16 PM »
It was more about the concept of tzuras hayshiva and the fact that chasidim have difficulties fully shteling tzu to the sedorim, Zemanim and mahalach of the yeshiva.
R Shneiur felt that a shtreimal is a stira to a proper tzurah.

(You have to be very yeshivish to understand this, don't worry if not.) ;)

I completely respect that.

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7128
  • Total likes: 262
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #129 on: January 05, 2016, 08:00:40 PM »

Offline churnbabychurn

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 7128
  • Total likes: 262
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 6772
  • Total likes: 1504
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 7
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2016, 12:34:00 PM »
I would imagine that at this point the "full fledged" chassidim coming to Lakewood will be beneficial to keeping the original "tzura" of Lakewood. THe ones moving to Lakewood have generally been those looking for more of the "yeshivishe" values and less of the tina baygel type. The ones who changed the face of Lakewood have primarily been from the ones who came to learn in Kollel for a year or two but were never really living that lifestyle and the others after they left kollel as well as those who moved for cheaper housing etc. but more litvish/heimish style. It is more of an effect of the yeshiva's policy that there be no other place for them to go. If there would be other options then they may have gone there and left Lakewood the way it was.

There is only one way to fight and win against demographics and that is genocide. Any other way is doomed to failure.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

Offline jackofall

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2012
  • Posts: 635
  • Total likes: 18
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2016, 02:50:37 PM »
It is more of an effect of the yeshiva's policy that there be no other place for them to go.
Bingo. They are sleeping in the bed they made.
If you focus on being a boss, you will never be a leader. Leaders lead people to growth and improvement.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 6772
  • Total likes: 1504
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 7
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2016, 02:51:24 PM »
Bingo. They are sleeping in the bed they made.
I think the 2 theys in your sentence are different groups.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

Offline jackofall

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2012
  • Posts: 635
  • Total likes: 18
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2016, 04:19:36 PM »
I think the 2 theys in your sentence are different groups.
Nope. Both referring to BMG and its successors, affiliates and anybody related to that entity.
If you focus on being a boss, you will never be a leader. Leaders lead people to growth and improvement.