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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1240 on: October 20, 2021, 09:17:05 AM »
The photo with the pumpkins goes in this thread?
I remember that one as a kid we ate somewhere that served something with pumpkins and i was all traumatized and asked my parents how a Yid could serve pumpkins
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1241 on: October 20, 2021, 09:28:06 AM »


The pumpkin picture is absolutely mind boggling. I have no idea who was in charge of the decor but this is very upsetting. It would be upsetting enough to stam walk into a frum home this time of the year and see that tablescape, but to then seat the roshei yeshiva and poskim around that table???

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1242 on: October 20, 2021, 09:42:48 AM »

The pumpkin picture is absolutely mind boggling. I have no idea who was in charge of the decor but this is very upsetting. It would be upsetting enough to stam walk into a frum home this time of the year and see that tablescape, but to then seat the roshei yeshiva and poskim around that table???

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The American tradition of carving pumpkins is recorded in 1837 and was originally associated with harvest time in general, not becoming specifically associated with Halloween until the mid-to-late 19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

I mean it's definitely has some its origins in Halloween; but it's also strongly correlated to Fall in general. So it doesn't really bother me - it's not the same as a tree for December 25.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1243 on: October 20, 2021, 09:46:55 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

I mean it's definitely has some its origins in Halloween; but it's also strongly correlated to Fall in general. So it doesn't really bother me - it's not the same as a tree for December 25.

The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled. 

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1244 on: October 20, 2021, 09:51:50 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

I mean it's definitely has some its origins in Halloween; but it's also strongly correlated to Fall in general. So it doesn't really bother me - it's not the same as a tree for December 25.
They were carved?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1245 on: October 20, 2021, 10:05:14 AM »
They were carved?
Also a good point.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1246 on: October 20, 2021, 10:05:48 AM »
The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled.
I'll check my yichus ;)

I'm not feeling the hergesh

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1247 on: October 20, 2021, 10:07:40 AM »
I'll check my yichus ;)

I'm not feeling the hergesh

I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to the decorator.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1248 on: October 20, 2021, 10:19:40 AM »
The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled.
I remember every sukka place selling decorative gourds that people hung up in their sukka
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1249 on: October 20, 2021, 11:24:38 AM »
The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled. 

I don’t like the fact that we are trained to hate pumpkins. They’re delicious and good looking, just as our Creator intended. Keep the hergesh solely for Halloween decorations.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1250 on: October 20, 2021, 11:39:19 AM »
Pumpkin pie YUM!

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1251 on: October 20, 2021, 12:58:26 PM »
I remember every sukka place selling decorative gourds that people hung up in their sukka
Yep.
Ask a non-jew (with no Halloween decorations out) why they put out pumpkins on their front steps from the beginning of October and see if they mention Halloween

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1252 on: October 20, 2021, 10:31:55 PM »
I don’t like the fact that we are trained to hate pumpkins. They’re delicious and good looking, just as our Creator intended. Keep the hergesh solely for Halloween decorations.

I have no problem with eating pumpkins and I was not trained to hate them. But decorating with the one vegetable that the umos haaolom decorate with during the same time frame is something that I wouldn't expect to see on a table surrounded by roshei yeshiva and rabbonim. Like I said, it's a hergesh not a halacha. No point arguing.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1253 on: October 21, 2021, 12:09:45 AM »
I have no problem with eating pumpkins and I was not trained to hate them. But decorating with the one vegetable that the umos haaolom decorate with during the same time frame is something that I wouldn't expect to see on a table surrounded by roshei yeshiva and rabbonim. Like I said, it's a hergesh not a halacha. No point arguing.

I was speaking for myself. If I saw a pumpkin in my kitchen any time of year, my natural instinct is - what’s this non-Jewish thing doing here? While I don’t remember being explicitly told to avoid pumpkins, they’ve been completely scrubbed from frum supermarkets and frum culture, my only association to it is from Halloween.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1254 on: October 21, 2021, 12:28:51 AM »
I was speaking for myself. If I saw a pumpkin in my kitchen any time of year, my natural instinct is - what’s this non-Jewish thing doing here? While I don’t remember being explicitly told to avoid pumpkins, they’ve been completely scrubbed from frum supermarkets and frum culture, my only association to it is from Halloween.
Same here. I'm so not familar with pumpkins that I didn't even know that it is edible until I saw ;
They’re delicious and good looking, just as our Creator intended.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1255 on: October 21, 2021, 12:49:01 AM »
I was speaking for myself. If I saw a pumpkin in my kitchen any time of year, my natural instinct is - what’s this non-Jewish thing doing here? While I don’t remember being explicitly told to avoid pumpkins, they’ve been completely scrubbed from frum supermarkets and frum culture, my only association to it is from Halloween.
Interesting. I've had pumpkin pie many times as a shabbos guest when I was a bachur. Delicious

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1256 on: October 21, 2021, 07:45:45 AM »
Hang on while I run into NPGS to pickup some canned pumpkin

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1257 on: October 21, 2021, 07:51:25 AM »
Hang on while I run into NPGS to pickup some canned pumpkin
I'll hold your Octoberfest beer while you do that...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1258 on: October 21, 2021, 08:07:10 AM »
Interesting. I've had pumpkin pie many times as a shabbos guest when I was a bachur. Delicious

They probably made it from a can, so it’s muttar :D
But yeh pumpkin pie is delicious. I just found this twist - looks amazing.
https://www.popsugar.com/food/creme-brulee-pumpkin-pie-recipe-48556882/amp :)
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1259 on: October 21, 2021, 08:52:38 AM »
Mods, please split the thread to:

Gourd Your Eyes, Gorge Your Mouth: how to carve yourself out of evil pumpkin and chukas hagoi holiday displays, plus delicious pumpkin pie recipes
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