The Future of Lakewood

[Euclid]

The pumpkin picture is absolutely mind boggling. I have no idea who was in charge of the decor but this is very upsetting. It would be upsetting enough to stam walk into a frum home this time of the year and see that tablescape, but to then seat the roshei yeshiva and poskim around that table???

The American tradition of carving pumpkins is recorded in 1837 and was originally associated with harvest time in general, not becoming specifically associated with Halloween until the mid-to-late 19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

I mean it's definitely has some its origins in Halloween; but it's also strongly correlated to Fall in general. So it doesn't really bother me - it's not the same as a tree for December 25.

[dasmo801]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

I mean it's definitely has some its origins in Halloween; but it's also strongly correlated to Fall in general. So it doesn't really bother me - it's not the same as a tree for December 25.

The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled. 

[aygart]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

I mean it's definitely has some its origins in Halloween; but it's also strongly correlated to Fall in general. So it doesn't really bother me - it's not the same as a tree for December 25.

They were carved?

[Euclid]

They were carved?

Also a good point.

[Euclid]

The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled.

I'll check my yichus

I'm not feeling the hergesh

[dasmo801]

I'll check my yichus

I'm not feeling the hergesh

I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to the decorator.

[aygart]

The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled.

I remember every sukka place selling decorative gourds that people hung up in their sukka

[yuneeq]

The origin is not the point. I am not making an halachic argument. It is a simple hergesh that should exist in the heart of every frum yid whose concepts of kedusha and havdala bein yisrael l'amim have not been totally dulled. 

I don’t like the fact that we are trained to hate pumpkins. They’re delicious and good looking, just as our Creator intended. Keep the hergesh solely for Halloween decorations.

[Dawie]

Pumpkin pie YUM!

[yitzgar]

I remember every sukka place selling decorative gourds that people hung up in their sukka

Yep.
Ask a non-jew (with no Halloween decorations out) why they put out pumpkins on their front steps from the beginning of October and see if they mention Halloween

[dasmo801]

I don’t like the fact that we are trained to hate pumpkins. They’re delicious and good looking, just as our Creator intended. Keep the hergesh solely for Halloween decorations.

I have no problem with eating pumpkins and I was not trained to hate them. But decorating with the one vegetable that the umos haaolom decorate with during the same time frame is something that I wouldn't expect to see on a table surrounded by roshei yeshiva and rabbonim. Like I said, it's a hergesh not a halacha. No point arguing.

[yuneeq]

I have no problem with eating pumpkins and I was not trained to hate them. But decorating with the one vegetable that the umos haaolom decorate with during the same time frame is something that I wouldn't expect to see on a table surrounded by roshei yeshiva and rabbonim. Like I said, it's a hergesh not a halacha. No point arguing.

I was speaking for myself. If I saw a pumpkin in my kitchen any time of year, my natural instinct is - what’s this non-Jewish thing doing here? While I don’t remember being explicitly told to avoid pumpkins, they’ve been completely scrubbed from frum supermarkets and frum culture, my only association to it is from Halloween.

[EliJelly]

I was speaking for myself. If I saw a pumpkin in my kitchen any time of year, my natural instinct is - what’s this non-Jewish thing doing here? While I don’t remember being explicitly told to avoid pumpkins, they’ve been completely scrubbed from frum supermarkets and frum culture, my only association to it is from Halloween.

Same here. I'm so not familar with pumpkins that I didn't even know that it is edible until I saw ;

They’re delicious and good looking, just as our Creator intended.

Takeh a shud we don't claim it for ourselves too.

[Euclid]

I was speaking for myself. If I saw a pumpkin in my kitchen any time of year, my natural instinct is - what’s this non-Jewish thing doing here? While I don’t remember being explicitly told to avoid pumpkins, they’ve been completely scrubbed from frum supermarkets and frum culture, my only association to it is from Halloween.

Interesting. I've had pumpkin pie many times as a shabbos guest when I was a bachur. Delicious

[MarkS]

Hang on while I run into NPGS to pickup some canned pumpkin

[YitzyS]

Hang on while I run into NPGS to pickup some canned pumpkin

I'll hold your Octoberfest beer while you do that...

[yuneeq]

Interesting. I've had pumpkin pie many times as a shabbos guest when I was a bachur. Delicious

They probably made it from a can, so it’s muttar
But yeh pumpkin pie is delicious. I just found this twist - looks amazing.
https://www.popsugar.com/food/creme-brulee-pumpkin-pie-recipe-48556882/amp

[Yehuda57]

Mods, please split the thread to:

Gourd Your Eyes, Gorge Your Mouth: how to carve yourself out of evil pumpkin and chukas hagoi holiday displays, plus delicious pumpkin pie recipes

[YitzyS]

Mods, please split the thread to:

Gourd Your Eyes, Gorge Your Mouth: how to carve yourself out of evil pumpkin and chukas hagoi holiday displays, plus delicious pumpkin pie recipes

cc @RejectedFeldheim

[avromie7]

cc @RejectedFeldheim

My thoughts exactly