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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1820 on: May 23, 2022, 10:33:26 AM »
Yes thatís what theyíre saying, and the fact that they can then use this to help raise money next is a תוצאה. I guess it depends how cynical you wanna be...
How do you make them feel appreciated?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1821 on: May 23, 2022, 10:42:28 AM »
It seems like they're targeting non BMG/vaad  affiliates, but how are they incentiving non affiliated to join?
I think this comment says a lot about the future of Lakewood.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1822 on: May 23, 2022, 10:58:09 AM »
How do you make them feel appreciated?
Not really sure and itís long Overdue, but tripling their salary and a night of appreciation sounds like a nice start.
I guess it takes a gvir thatís running a business and has employees  to figure that out

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1823 on: May 23, 2022, 04:22:23 PM »
I actually think the whole raise in stipend is good, but has some unforseen negative consequences,  especially since it was so abrupt.

1) As hard as it was to find quality rabbeim, both in town and out, it will harder, since a major impetus for leaving kollel is money.

2) Out of town kollelim will have a harder time recruiting since their major draw is higher pay. Many small communities have very little jewishness outside of their small community kollel

3) Yungeleit will spend more time in kollel, since they are getting paid more. However when it comes time to leave, they'll be in a tougher spot since the starting salary will be a smaller raise,  and their expenses will be higher, becauset they stayed in kollel longer. (I agree that this is a weaker point and doesn't inherently make the initiative a bad one).

If anyone is going to spearhead a raise in pay for BMG they must be ready to address rabbiem salaries and out of of town kollel stipends in a similar fashion, IMHO.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1824 on: May 23, 2022, 04:47:54 PM »
I actually think the whole raise in stipend is good, but has some unforseen negative consequences,  especially since it was so abrupt.

1) As hard as it was to find quality rabbeim, both in town and out, it will harder, since a major impetus for leaving kollel is money.

2) Out of town kollelim will have a harder time recruiting since their major draw is higher pay. Many small communities have very little jewishness outside of their small community kollel

3) Yungeleit will spend more time in kollel, since they are getting paid more. However when it comes time to leave, they'll be in a tougher spot since the starting salary will be a smaller raise,  and their expenses will be higher, becauset they stayed in kollel longer. (I agree that this is a weaker point and doesn't inherently make the initiative a bad one).

If anyone is going to spearhead a raise in pay for BMG they must be ready to address rabbiem salaries and out of of town kollel stipends in a similar fashion, IMHO.
It's an extra $700/month (total of $1000). Is that really going to make a difference wrt going to work and OOT kolellim? I'd hope that rabbeim are making more than $12,000/yr (or even $20,000 when factoring taxes etc.). Same for OOT kolellim.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1825 on: May 23, 2022, 04:54:24 PM »
Not really sure and itís long Overdue, but tripling their salary and a night of appreciation sounds like a nice start.
I guess it takes a gvir thatís running a business and has employees  to figure that out
I think they care about getting more money to make ends meet and not at all about an event in Trenton other than that it will help raise money for their kollel check. Making events that accomplish that are a great way to show appreciation.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1826 on: May 23, 2022, 04:56:30 PM »
I actually think the whole raise in stipend is good, but has some unforseen negative consequences,  especially since it was so abrupt.

1) As hard as it was to find quality rabbeim, both in town and out, it will harder, since a major impetus for leaving kollel is money.

2) Out of town kollelim will have a harder time recruiting since their major draw is higher pay. Many small communities have very little jewishness outside of their small community kollel

BOth of these are already happening as we speak, but may be partially due to other funds available recently.

Another effect is higher housing prices both for purchase and rent.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1827 on: May 23, 2022, 04:58:23 PM »
If anyone is going to spearhead a raise in pay for BMG they must be ready to address rabbiem salaries and out of of town kollel stipends in a similar fashion, IMHO.
They must?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1828 on: May 23, 2022, 05:31:44 PM »
It's an extra $700/month (total of $1000). Is that really going to make a difference wrt going to work and OOT kolellim? I'd hope that rabbeim are making more than $12,000/yr (or even $20,000 when factoring taxes etc.). Same for OOT kolellim.

The lower the benefit.... i.e. I'll move oot for an extra 20k, but not for 12k

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1829 on: May 23, 2022, 05:32:20 PM »
They must?

Ok, strong word choice, agreed.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1830 on: May 23, 2022, 06:31:35 PM »
So the purpose is of this event is to make the Yungerliet feel appreciated?
From my understanding itís to give chizuk to the ppl behind the raise and to give them chizuk to go out and raise all that money.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1831 on: May 23, 2022, 07:09:59 PM »
It's an extra $700/month (total of $1000).
Kollel pay in BMG was just $300 a month until now??

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1832 on: May 23, 2022, 07:12:32 PM »
Kollel pay in BMG was just $300 a month until now??
Just about.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1833 on: May 23, 2022, 07:21:52 PM »
Kollel pay in BMG was just $300 a month until now??
Think it was $340 or so

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1834 on: May 23, 2022, 07:22:33 PM »
Kollel pay in BMG was just $300 a month until now??
Yep. Back in the day it used to cover a good chunk of the months rent for a young kollel couple for a much smaller base of yungerleit. The number of yungerleit exploded and it was all they could do to keep up with the original amount of the kollel check. Decades later that amount would not even cover a weeks rent. From what I heard Lazer sheiner  was shocked too and reacted in disbelief when he heard the amount of the kollel check. He decided to make it his mission and one year later here we are.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1835 on: May 23, 2022, 07:32:01 PM »
Kollel pay in BMG was just $300 a month until now??
Biweekly $172.

Itís now $1,000 a month plus $750 each for Sukkos and Pesach so $13,500 a year.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1836 on: May 23, 2022, 07:35:57 PM »
I actually think the whole raise in stipend is good, but has some unforseen negative consequences,  especially since it was so abrupt.
These are not reasons to keep yungerleit from receiving more money (which is hardly a fortune). They are reasons to encourage raising salaries for Rebbeim and OOT Kollelim.

I donít think schools in Lakewood have a hard time finding quality Rebbeim at all.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1837 on: May 23, 2022, 07:46:48 PM »
I donít think schools in Lakewood have a hard time finding quality Rebbeim at all.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1838 on: May 23, 2022, 07:58:04 PM »


These are not reasons to keep yungerleit from receiving more money (which is hardly a fortune). They are reasons to encourage raising salaries for Rebbeim and OOT Kollelim.

I donít think schools in Lakewood have a hard time finding quality Rebbeim at all.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #1839 on: May 23, 2022, 08:16:50 PM »
I donít think schools in Lakewood have a hard time finding quality Rebbeim at all.
There are definitely less people pursuing chinuch than previously, according to those in the field. This year only 50 people enrolled in Torah Umesoruah's Aish Dos rebbi training in Lakewood, down from 80-100 there usually was. (Last year or two was already declining.)

There may be no shortage of potential rebbeim, but there is a shortage of quality rebbeim. (Heard from a prominent rosh yeshiva involved in chinuch overall.)