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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2120 on: July 28, 2022, 11:52:40 PM »
Guys, please bring more popcorn kernels to the front, we're all out!

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2121 on: July 29, 2022, 12:24:06 AM »
And why are all these shomrim calls and thief arrests so news worthy at all?? I understand the shomrim members live on this publicity but I don't need to bump into it ten times a day on all Jewish news channels, digital and printed alike, lengthy stories with numerous pictures of handcuffed perps.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2122 on: July 29, 2022, 12:32:50 AM »
And why are all these shomrim calls and thief arrests so news worthy at all?? I understand the shomrim members live on this publicity but I don't need to bump into it ten times a day on all Jewish news channels, digital and printed alike, lengthy stories with numerous pictures of handcuffed perps.
You need to understand who the tow of person to run such a blog is.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2123 on: July 29, 2022, 08:04:53 AM »
Perhaps you are right that I’m hateful, I’m always open for introspection. However I commend the fact that they don’t publish LH and have never said otherwise, my issue is what they do publish.
Now we disagree if I understand correctly what LH stands for.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2124 on: July 29, 2022, 09:23:09 AM »
Now we disagree if I understand correctly what LH stands for.
LH = loshon hara
לשון הרע

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2125 on: July 29, 2022, 04:14:26 PM »
LH = loshon hara
לשון הרע
My understanding was correct.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2126 on: August 01, 2022, 02:38:46 AM »
My understanding was correct.
Which part of @yuneeq's statement do you disagree with?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2127 on: August 01, 2022, 02:48:09 PM »
As much as I like to make fun of TLS for all their shananagins, I agree 100 percent that they are not allowed to publish a story that contains lashon harah. The "Chilul Hashem" story doesn't hold any water if they are violating halacha, and there is zero heter of parnassah in lashon harah. (The Chofetz Chaim famously writes that if a boss tells you that if you don't say lashon harah he will fire you, and you will have no other source of parnassah, you are still not allowed to say the lashon harah.)

If one cannot get around the issue of lashon harah, they should close down their site.

And there is nothing wrong with being a blog site and not an "unbiased, we publish everything" news site.
Just don't post the story.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2128 on: August 01, 2022, 06:59:02 PM »
Eisemann prosecutors filed an appeal, and requested another 15 days to submit appeals brief. They want to overturn the ruling that tossed the convictions and called for a new trial.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2129 on: August 01, 2022, 07:01:31 PM »
Which part of @yuneeq's statement do you disagree with?
They should publish everything.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2130 on: August 01, 2022, 07:04:00 PM »
Eisemann prosecutors filed an appeal, and requested another 15 days to submit appeals brief. They want to overturn the ruling that tossed the convictions and called for a new trial.
>:(
Who rules on this? Another separate panel with no knowledge of the case? Is it assigned to the same people that ruled on the original appeal?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2131 on: August 01, 2022, 07:04:22 PM »
Just don't post the story.
This is an extremely important story for people to know about to prevent reoccurance
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2132 on: August 01, 2022, 07:11:10 PM »
>:(
Who rules on this? Another separate panel with no knowledge of the case? Is it assigned to the same people that ruled on the original appeal?
It's not clear yet. I'll post when I find out.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2133 on: August 01, 2022, 09:17:30 PM »
Please like and retweet this. It is important for it to get the attention of Gov. Murphy's people, so that he can know that Rav Malkiel attended court to support Rabbi Eisemann.

https://twitter.com/onejerseyschorr/status/1554264525033070593?s=21

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2134 on: August 01, 2022, 09:18:17 PM »
It's not clear yet. I'll post when I find out.
Lawyer thinks it's a different part of the appellate division that will handle this appeal, but he's not certain yet.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2135 on: August 03, 2022, 07:06:44 AM »
They should publish everything.
It's a site that caters to a crowd that tries to avoid LH. Publishing LH - aside from it being forbidden according to their own religious views - would cause them to lose those readers.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2136 on: August 03, 2022, 08:03:08 AM »
Eisemann prosecutors filed an appeal, and requested another 15 days to submit appeals brief. They want to overturn the ruling that tossed the convictions and called for a new trial.
Rabbi Eisemann's lawyer submitted a letter opposing an extension.

In the prosecutor's request letter, they wrote that they were busy with other cases and didn't have time to work on a brief. Eisemann's lawyer wrote that this is not an excuse. It's a 7-page letter, but here's the final two paragraphs:

"Mr. Eisemann has been laboring under this case for years... Had prosecutors fulfilled their basic constitutional obligations, Mr. Eisemann’s saga through the courts would have ended long ago. Now, when it is finally nearing its end, the state asks for more time. The deputy attorney general’s schedule is not more important than Mr. Eisemann’s interest in vindicating his name and getting his life back.

If the state wanted to appeal, it should have appealed in the time allotted. Having failed to do so, the Court should deny the state’s motion and allow the case to proceed to trial so that a new jury can hear from the bookkeeper who the state has so desperately tried to keep silent."


It's still likely that they will get their extension, as courts generally allow more time upon request.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2137 on: August 04, 2022, 11:58:39 AM »
Rabbi Eisemann's lawyer submitted a letter opposing an extension.

In the prosecutor's request letter, they wrote that they were busy with other cases and didn't have time to work on a brief. Eisemann's lawyer wrote that this is not an excuse. It's a 7-page letter, but here's the final two paragraphs:

"Mr. Eisemann has been laboring under this case for years... Had prosecutors fulfilled their basic constitutional obligations, Mr. Eisemann’s saga through the courts would have ended long ago. Now, when it is finally nearing its end, the state asks for more time. The deputy attorney general’s schedule is not more important than Mr. Eisemann’s interest in vindicating his name and getting his life back.

If the state wanted to appeal, it should have appealed in the time allotted. Having failed to do so, the Court should deny the state’s motion and allow the case to proceed to trial so that a new jury can hear from the bookkeeper who the state has so desperately tried to keep silent."


It's still likely that they will get their extension, as courts generally allow more time upon request.

When is a decision on the extension request expected?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2138 on: August 04, 2022, 12:48:53 PM »
When is a decision on the extension request expected?
I think we should know in the next few days. They need to know already if they should work on a brief for August 15, so it has to be ASAP.

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