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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2960 on: May 18, 2023, 08:42:22 PM »
What is considered the עיר? Do you use the rules for tchumin?

I once calculated that for a line in a road 16 Amos wide to have 600000 going over it per day you need to have rows shoulder to shoulder going straight all day long walking pretty quickly.
Dated numbers but you get the point




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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2961 on: May 18, 2023, 09:15:19 PM »
What makes Rt 9 one street?
What makes it two?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2962 on: May 18, 2023, 09:23:30 PM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2963 on: May 18, 2023, 09:46:19 PM »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2964 on: May 18, 2023, 09:49:56 PM »
What is considered the עיר? Do you use the rules for tchumin?
Needs to be within יב מיל according to Rav Moshe.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2965 on: May 18, 2023, 09:50:34 PM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2966 on: May 18, 2023, 09:53:41 PM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2967 on: May 18, 2023, 10:07:06 PM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2968 on: May 18, 2023, 10:10:20 PM »
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Finally a conversation about The Future of Lakewood and you are trying to move it into another thread.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2969 on: May 18, 2023, 10:11:08 PM »
What makes it two?

That you need to turn or exit to stay on it?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2970 on: May 18, 2023, 10:12:07 PM »
Needs to be within יב מיל according to Rav Moshe.

Yes, but that is not the simple understanding of how to define a city.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2971 on: May 18, 2023, 10:13:05 PM »
Finally a conversation about The Future of Lakewood and you are trying to move it into another thread.

"The Future of Lakewood" is just a code phrase for "Corruption, Hate, and all the other things we don't want to advertise in a title"

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2972 on: May 18, 2023, 10:23:49 PM »
I don't think he directly addresses practicalities of Lakewood anywhere. However his talmidim have apparently said that he took the position that ס רבוא isn't a factor in רשות הרבים. There are many eiruvin in town which would not be ok according to this.

Route 9 is an independent issue, as it is a serious ס רבוא concern. So even people who are more meikal in general would have a problem.

Thank you for that.

I was gonna ask why route 9 is different than other large cities with an eruv but I guess this may be part of the answer to it?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2973 on: May 18, 2023, 10:42:48 PM »
Thank you for that.

I was gonna ask why route 9 is different than other large cities with an eruv but I guess this may be part of the answer to it?
As I understand it, though youíd have to compare to other big cities if there are similar roads.t

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2974 on: May 18, 2023, 10:57:36 PM »
That you need to turn or exit to stay on it?
I donít think itís clear what the gedorim are.
See for example here number two from Rav Moshe allegedly:


Besides, it goes a while without any turns, are you sure there arenít ס רבוא on that stretch?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2975 on: May 18, 2023, 11:27:42 PM »
I donít think itís clear what the gedorim are.
See for example here number two from Rav Moshe allegedly:


Besides, it goes a while without any turns, are you sure there arenít ס רבוא on that stretch?
There isn't anything close to 600,000 on the parts near Lakewood (even including some twists and turns all the way up to Freehold).

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2976 on: May 18, 2023, 11:29:30 PM »
Dated numbers but you get the point





What is the average number of occupants per vehicle?

I am referring to the old way to use a street-walking. It is not easy-if even possible-to have 600000 walk over a 16 amah line within 24 hours. You would need 16 people to cross the line every 2.3 seconds with no break for the entire 24 hours.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2977 on: May 18, 2023, 11:32:10 PM »
I donít think itís clear what the gedorim are.
See for example here number two from Rav Moshe allegedly:


Besides, it goes a while without any turns, are you sure there arenít ס רבוא on that stretch?


Akmimus does not seem like a great description for exiting onto the GSP to continue on Rt 9 in Toms River or turning onto Rt 36 (I think) to continue in Old Bridge. Those are much more than a bend in the road. The vast majority of the way is sparsely populated.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2978 on: May 18, 2023, 11:35:12 PM »
Akmimus does not seem like a great description for exiting onto the GSP to continue on Rt 9 in Toms River or turning onto Rt 36 (I think) to continue in Old Bridge. Those are much more than a bend in the road. The vast majority of the way is sparsely populated.
So whatís the heiligkeit of the 9? Sratya of ramban?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2979 on: May 18, 2023, 11:44:54 PM »
So whatís the heiligkeit of the 9? Sratya of ramban?

Which other street might have 600000 on it and goes intercity?
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