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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3020 on: May 29, 2023, 10:17:08 AM »
It is my understanding that unless they prove that the Brady violation was intentional, they can't get anything. But they are trying to get documents that may be able to prove it, and the prosecutors are trying to not hand it over, but the judge ruled that they have to hand it over. That ruling was on hold, but is now back in effect after the appeals ruling.

Final words of the opinion posted above: Accordingly, we see no basis to disagree with the motion judge that the State committed a Brady violation because it denied defendant his constitutional right to a fair trial in not disclosing Exhibit F.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3021 on: May 29, 2023, 10:18:45 AM »
If anyone discovers this thread now without looking at previous posts, they are going to think that we have really wide plans for "The future of Lakewood"  ;D
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3022 on: May 29, 2023, 10:45:36 AM »
Elizabeth has a very large frum community for many many years including Rabbi Teitz.
Linden is growing very fast, but I'm not sure how many live in Roselle.
Union has a yeshiva (The former Linden Yeshiva) and a small bobov community.
Lots of frum people in the whole area. Linden, Roselle, Rahway, Union, Clark, etc.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3023 on: May 29, 2023, 11:03:23 AM »
Lots of frum people in the whole area. Linden, Roselle, Rahway, Union, Clark, etc.
Who's in Rahway and Clark?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3024 on: May 29, 2023, 12:19:10 PM »
https://www.njcourts.gov/system/files/court-opinions/2023/a0186-22a0187-22.pdf

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To convict a defendant for misconduct by a corporate official under N.J.S.A. 2C:2l-9(c), the State had to show defendant "purposely or knowingly use[d], control[led] or operate[d] a corporation for the furtherance or promotion of any criminal object." The State incorrectly argues it only had to prove that defendant paid the school with the school's own $200,000 funneled through GZYD and TAZ, thereby making his $200,000 payment to the school "the money laundering transaction," not the later QuickBooks entry

It seems like it will be very hard for the prosecution to make a case at a new trial. They have to prove that he committed a crime and was covering it up with this transaction, but can't argue that he stole money, since he was found not guilty on those charges.

Sometimes juries will convict on a lesser charge, even if they aren't convinced, in order to "split the baby." Now that there will only be the lesser charge, they won't have that option.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3025 on: May 29, 2023, 12:45:32 PM »
It seems like it will be very hard for the prosecution to make a case at a new trial. They have to prove that he committed a crime and was covering it up with this transaction, but can't argue that he stole money, since he was found not guilty on those charges.

Sometimes juries will convict on a lesser charge, even if they aren't convinced, in order to "split the baby." Now that there will only be the lesser charge, they won't have that option.

Also would like to point out that there were 3 judges and they unanimously made this decision to side with Paone, the deck is stacked against the state now.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3026 on: May 29, 2023, 01:13:12 PM »
Who's in Rahway and Clark?
Extension of Linden community.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3027 on: May 29, 2023, 03:17:26 PM »
BTW, for those reading the brief, there is a factual error in the brief. The court writes that Rabbi Eisemann was a partner in TAZ. That is incorrect. It is based off a heter iska that is written as a "partnership agreement." In truth, Rabbi Eisemann had no ownership in TAZ. Not sure it makes much of a difference at this point, but just wanted to set the record straight.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3028 on: May 29, 2023, 04:43:43 PM »
https://www.njcourts.gov/system/files/court-opinions/2023/a0186-22a0187-22.pdf

Even as a layman, this was fairly easy to follow. The state seems to have been ripped apart good and proper.

And it shows that @YitzyS did a great job with his explainers above.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3029 on: May 29, 2023, 05:55:20 PM »
Even as a layman, this was fairly easy to follow. The state seems to have been ripped apart good and proper.

And it shows that @YitzyS did a great job with his explainers above.
The State seemed to be literally looking for something to catch him on. Such krime lomdus and rule-making to punish him with no real evidence of any crime.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3030 on: May 29, 2023, 06:04:33 PM »
The State seemed to be literally looking for something to catch him on. Such krime lomdus and rule-making to punish him with no real evidence of any crime.
Even if they gave up on that, they likely feel the need to fight to try clear themselves of the misconduct that is being revealed.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3032 on: May 29, 2023, 10:36:33 PM »
Even if they gave up on that, they likely feel the need to fight to try clear themselves of the misconduct that is being revealed.

We now have 4 judges and 2 state senators that believe there was severe prosecutorial misconduct (or a very high chance of it). And itís getting more egregious and blatant by the day.

At what point should there be a state investigation into this matter? What does it take to get the ball rolling?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3033 on: May 29, 2023, 10:50:08 PM »
Even if they gave up on that, they likely feel the need to fight to try clear themselves of the misconduct that is being revealed.
To clear themselves? They should have dropped the case much earlier. By now, the cat is out of the bag. Anything they do now is just digging their hole deeper.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3034 on: May 29, 2023, 11:17:32 PM »
We now have 4 judges and 2 state senators that believe there was severe prosecutorial misconduct (or a very high chance of it). And itís getting more egregious and blatant by the day.

At what point should there be a state investigation into this matter? What does it take to get the ball rolling?

100%.

If this doesnít call for an investigation, what does? How long can prosecutors just do whatever they want? Is there any oversight? If this panel of three judges thinks there was a Brady violation and if the Judge Paone thinks there was a Brady violation, shouldnít this be thoroughly investigated? How are people supposed to trust the justice system when it looks like the prosecutors are running rouge?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3036 on: June 01, 2023, 02:21:35 PM »
https://yated.com/appeals-court-upholds-rabbi-eisemanns-right-to-new-trial/

I just read through this and it infuriates me. How is it possible that United Sates justice system allows for a prosecutor who has an agenda to bankrupt and ruin an innocent mans life and face no repercussions when caught??? 

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3037 on: June 01, 2023, 03:47:10 PM »
I just read through this and it infuriates me. How is it possible that United Sates justice system allows for a prosecutor who has an agenda to bankrupt and ruin an innocent mans life and face no repercussions when caught???

Shpitz success for a prosecutor is when he can turn a minor crime into a many years sentence. And they sleep good at night afterwards. The justice system is full of heartless cruel self advancing people dressed in fancy suits.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3038 on: June 02, 2023, 04:44:43 PM »
I hate people who say "I don't know anything about the case, but there must be something more that we don't know about, because my friend is above reproach..."

https://newjerseyglobe.com/stomping-grounds/stomping-grounds-debt-limits-state-budget-awareness-nicodemos-brady-rule-violation-and-tuesdays-primary-election/#:~:text=NJ%20Globe%3A%20A,Attorney%20General%E2%80%99s%20office.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3039 on: June 02, 2023, 05:45:25 PM »
What does it take to get the ball rolling?

Emil Zola?