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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3580 on: September 01, 2023, 09:55:49 AM »
No, they are hypocrites for talking in shul. That's worse than going to a strip club.
Duh, there is nothing worse than talking in shul. It is the very first of the daled chamuros.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3581 on: September 01, 2023, 10:18:50 AM »
Duh, there is nothing worse than talking in shul. It is the very first of the daled chamuros.
FTR, I would agree with Chevron that it's worse in many aspects.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3582 on: September 01, 2023, 10:33:02 AM »
Duh, there is nothing worse than talking in shul. It is the very first of the daled chamuros.

What a guy does in a strip club is his business.. it looks bad on orthodox Jews but we can say "it's just him.. he doesn't represent us"

I'd much rather they dress otherwise ad/kd took it a bit far with the cross


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3583 on: September 01, 2023, 11:00:32 AM »
FTR, I would agree with Chevron that it's worse in many aspects.

Absolutely!
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3584 on: September 01, 2023, 11:28:35 AM »
FTR, I would agree with Chevron that it's worse in many aspects.
Yes, and no. Technically speaking walking around without a yarmulke isnít even on the same chart as a word of lashon hara (according to most shittos) but it is a far greater statement of what the person considers himself to be and his view of his relationship with Hashem.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3585 on: September 01, 2023, 12:12:06 PM »
The thread went from a story about one strange individual to analyzing an absurd quote within the VF article from an unnamed source (the 1% line) then to an alleged remark by an unnamed club owner then to everyone is ok with this.

Why are we so quick to believe the worst about our brothers?

When I was about 20 I met a non Jewish guy in a Walmart parking lot in an area with no frum Jews who asked me why there were so many "of those guys with beards and those long curly hair things" (while miming long payos) in strip clubs? I was shocked! "So many" frum Jews going to such places? How could it be that so many Chassidim dress the part but act so differently?

I later realized that if this guy saw two guys (heck, even if he saw 30), they would stick out so much that their prominence would be far greater, thus appearing to attend more regularly and in greater numbers than they actually did. And they represent such a tiny, likely statistically insignificant portion of the community it is laughable. Of course, each person to be there is an entire world worthy of our care, concern, and empathy. But to paint that as a systemic or commonplace issue, which is where my mind automatically jumped to, is ridiculous.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3586 on: September 01, 2023, 12:26:33 PM »
When I was about 20 I met a non Jewish guy in a Walmart parking lot in an area with no frum Jews who asked me why there were so many "of those guys with beards and those long curly hair things" (while miming long payos) in strip clubs? I was shocked! "So many" frum Jews going to such places? How could it be that so many Chassidim dress the part but act so differently?

I later realized that if this guy saw two guys (heck, even if he saw 30), they would stick out so much that their prominence would be far greater, thus appearing to attend more regularly and in greater numbers than they actually did. And they represent such a tiny, likely statistically insignificant portion of the community it is laughable. Of course, each person to be there is an entire world worthy of our care, concern, and empathy. But to paint that as a systemic or commonplace issue, which is where my mind automatically jumped to, is ridiculous.

Agreed that we should not paint our nation with the mistakes of a few, but another thing to take from this story is that the world will undoubtedly judge our whole nation by the actions of each one of us as an individual. In our minds we're only one of millions in our nation, but to them we represent our whole nation, for good or for bad.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3587 on: September 01, 2023, 01:02:32 PM »
When I was about 20 I met a non Jewish guy in a Walmart parking lot in an area with no frum Jews who asked me why there were so many "of those guys with beards and those long curly hair things" (while miming long payos) in strip clubs? I was shocked! "So many" frum Jews going to such places? How could it be that so many Chassidim dress the part but act so differently?

I later realized that if this guy saw two guys (heck, even if he saw 30), they would stick out so much that their prominence would be far greater, thus appearing to attend more regularly and in greater numbers than they actually did. And they represent such a tiny, likely statistically insignificant portion of the community it is laughable. Of course, each person to be there is an entire world worthy of our care, concern, and empathy. But to paint that as a systemic or commonplace issue, which is where my mind automatically jumped to, is ridiculous.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3588 on: September 06, 2023, 01:58:34 AM »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3590 on: September 06, 2023, 08:52:46 AM »
Agreed that we should not paint our nation with the mistakes of a few, but another thing to take from this story is that the world will undoubtedly judge our whole nation by the actions of each one of us as an individual. In our minds we're only one of millions in our nation, but to them we represent our whole nation, for good or for bad.


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3591 on: September 06, 2023, 08:57:26 AM »
Are tips mandatory?
To avoid this review and reputation?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3592 on: September 06, 2023, 10:02:55 AM »
To avoid this review and reputation?
The tipping culture is out of hand. In Europe there is no such thing, because the workers get paid normally.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3593 on: September 06, 2023, 10:17:55 AM »
The tipping culture is out of hand. In Europe there is no such thing, because the workers get paid normally.
I already tip them when I pay my taxes

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3594 on: September 06, 2023, 10:36:43 AM »
To avoid this review and reputation?
Huh ? Uber has its own review system, they give a choice for a tip.
Imagine if you could leave a review on any address on Google maps
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3595 on: September 06, 2023, 12:26:40 PM »
The tipping culture is out of hand. In Europe there is no such thing, because the workers get paid normally.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3596 on: September 06, 2023, 12:27:11 PM »
Huh ? Uber has its own review system, they give a choice for a tip.
Imagine if you could leave a review on any address on Google maps
You can't?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3597 on: September 06, 2023, 12:55:51 PM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3598 on: September 07, 2023, 12:19:51 AM »
is this the best lakewood has to offer?
no map, no addresses, no direction, just some random street names and times
pricing? is it free?
no info
https://www.lakewoodnj.gov/bussing
https://www.lakewoodnj.gov/images/pdf/Lakewood_shuttle_updated_Bus_Routes_May_2023.pdf

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3599 on: September 07, 2023, 12:29:32 AM »