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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2016, 10:31:47 AM »
Can anyone please write a valid reason that Shtreimel's weren't allowed in BMG? Other than petty political and power reasons?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2016, 10:33:49 AM »


The dinners, building campaigns and big donors fund the mortgage.

Yes there are plenty of fixed costs. But they are more than covered. IMHO.

There is an assumption that all the schools are struggling to survive. The mosdos must keep this perception alive because it is a vital fundraising tool... It's not really true.
Is this all conjecture or do you have any first hand knowledge?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2016, 10:39:38 AM »

The dinners, building campaigns and big donors fund the mortgage.
Yes there are plenty of fixed costs. But they are more than covered. IMHO.
There is an assumption that all the schools are struggling to survive. The mosdos must keep this perception alive because it is a vital fundraising tool... It's not really true.
Have you seen even a single budget for a local yeshiva? Or is this all based on presumptions?
Conjecture like this without any real knowledge is dangerous.

See I 'know' that bakery owners make a killing. I posted this once before but appropriate here as well.

Did you know that every day Bagel nosh makes over $1,000,000? They sell an easy 1,052,632 bagels a day (when I was in there for 5 minutes there were at least 50 people there- you do the math). It costs them barely anything to make since water is just a penny per bagel, flour doesn't cost all that much (maybe 2 cents), and how much do you think the workers make already? (1 cent per bagel). Add in a penny for some electricity for the oven and say that all adds up to MAYBE 5 cents per bagel.
Can you imagine!! That's 1 million dollars profit per day!!!

And plus a little on the side from selling donuts too!!!!!!

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2016, 10:40:35 AM »
Is this all conjecture or do you have any first hand knowledge?
+1
You sound like you're shooting off the hip.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2016, 10:41:24 AM »


Is this all conjecture or do you have any first hand knowledge?

Conjecture based on analysing the revenue from tuition, the variable cost of Rabbeim salaries, and then overhead like building maintenance, salary for a couple of secretaries, bookkeeping, utilities.

Gov grants more than cover lunch etc.

You tell me where I'm wrong? Schools arn't exactly closing down left and right... We also don't hear horror stories about millions in debt (like we used to hear about the cheder years ago )
So they're definitely managing. The question is if and how much is the surplus.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2016, 10:41:49 AM »
you're right but that's a huuuge gap
Let me narrow it down for you. 17k-25k
is that the range for the men teachers who teach abt 2 hours a day?   What do they get?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2016, 10:43:24 AM »

Conjecture based on analysing the revenue from tuition, the variable cost of Rabbeim salaries, and then overhead like building maintenance, salary for a couple of secretaries, bookkeeping, utilities.

Gov grants more than cover lunch etc.

You tell me where I'm wrong? Schools arn't exactly closing down left and right... We also don't hear horror stories about millions in debt (like we used to hear about the cheder years ago )
So they're definitely managing. The question is if and how much is the surplus.
Ah, so conjecture it is. Thought so.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2016, 10:43:37 AM »
is that the range for the men teachers who teach abt 2 hours a day?   What do they get?
Yes. Before taxes.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2016, 10:44:18 AM »
Ah, so conjecture it is. Thought so.
Nice response. ::)

I never implied otherwise.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2016, 10:48:41 AM »
Noone had the chutzpah.
Back then ppl generally shteld tzu.. Not anymore

I'm still trying to wrap my beshtreimeled head around this. I have yet to come across a chassidishe shul that has a no-bent-down-hat takana, official or otherwise.

What was the logic behind it?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2016, 10:49:13 AM »
+1
You sound like you're shooting off the hip.
I'm not shooting anyone. I have no problem with the system as it is. I have no problem with giving Rabbeim a raise.
I DO have a problem with tuition increases.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2016, 10:49:34 AM »
Nice response. ::)

I never implied otherwise.
Without real facts and firsthand knowledge, your conjecturing adds nothing to the discussion; in fact it is simply a distraction.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2016, 10:50:49 AM »
Without real facts and firsthand knowledge, your conjecturing adds nothing to the discussion; in fact it is simply a distraction.

Unless yeshivas open up their books there's nothing else to work with...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2016, 10:55:40 AM »
Unless yeshivas open up their books there's nothing else to work with...
If nobody on the forum is able to chime in with firsthand knowledge, the entire discussion is useless.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2016, 10:58:04 AM »
Without real facts and firsthand knowledge, your conjecturing adds nothing to the discussion; in fact it is simply a distraction.
he started this discussion, his conjecture adds nothing to his own conversation?   He might not be right, but hes making valid points. U on the other hand...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2016, 11:04:36 AM »
If nobody on the forum is able to chime in with firsthand knowledge, the entire discussion is useless.
We know for a fact how much tuition is.
We know for a fact that the collectable rate is very very high.
We know for a fact approximately how much Rabbeim are paid.

I'm sure someone here can tell us how much their energy bills are...

What facts are missing that you dissmis this?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2016, 11:05:02 AM »
I'm still trying to wrap my beshtreimeled head around this. I have yet to come across a chassidishe shul that has a no-bent-down-hat takana, official or otherwise.

What was the logic behind it?

Don't hurt yourself while doing it. It's nonsense. I'm not sure if you've spent any significant time in bmg but I can assure you that no such takana ever existed. At most, since chassidim were few and far between at that time there was a feeling that it was a litvishe oasis and a streimel would be looked at sideways. It's impossible to understand until you've lived the lifestyle. The same thing applies now to colored shirts. There's no takana about it and occasionally, especially during the summer, you'll find a few YU guys in bais medrash with a blue shirt and lots of colored pencils. They're treated very nicely but it's amusing.. That's all. I personally know someone who's lived in yeshiva's shadow for decades, wears a streimel and went into bmg all the time. I feel the same way when I go to a Tish. The chassidim think I'm a little weird and I feel out of place but we live and let live.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2016, 11:05:06 AM »
If nobody on the forum is able to chime in with firsthand knowledge, the entire discussion is useless.

It's not useless- one guy will say something dumb "Rebbis make 100k", the next guy will correct him, and so on until an educated guess would not be so hard to achieve.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2016, 11:06:34 AM »
We know for a fact how much tuition is.
We know for a fact that the collectable rate is very very high.
We know for a fact approximately how much Rabbeim are paid.

I'm sure someone here can tell us how much their energy bills are...

What facts are missing that you dissmis this?
Everything else!!! How much is a mortgage on a 5 million dollar building? Oh right, we already 'established' that it's 'covered' by the dinner and rich dudes.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2016, 11:07:38 AM »
  I personally know someone who's lived in yeshiva's shadow for decades, wears a streimel and went into bmg all the time.
C'mmon, that's a lie.