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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4120 on: November 16, 2023, 04:27:40 PM »
This is an old list. IINM, some of these people are no longer affiliated, but I'm not sure if anyone new was added. The main decision makers now AFAIK are Rabbi Weisberg and Reb Benny Heinemann.

https://thelakewoodscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Vaad-members-at-a-glance.pdf
With all due respect, Rabbis Weisberg and Heineman are (learned) ballebatim, not Rabbanim.
So I repeat, who are the current Rabbanim of the Lakewood Vaad?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4121 on: November 16, 2023, 04:32:41 PM »
With all due respect, Rabbis Weisberg and Heineman are (learned) ballebatim, not Rabbanim.
So I repeat, who are the current Rabbanim of the Lakewood Vaad?
You asked "who is the Lakewood Vaad?" I tried to be helpful by posting a link. Sorry. I am not a party in this discussion. With all due respect.  :P

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4122 on: November 16, 2023, 04:47:05 PM »
This is an old list. IINM, some of these people are no longer affiliated, but I'm not sure if anyone new was added. The main decision makers now AFAIK are Rabbi Weisberg and Reb Benny Heinemann.

https://thelakewoodscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Vaad-members-at-a-glance.pdf
Some of those are no longer with us
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4123 on: November 16, 2023, 05:23:24 PM »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4124 on: November 16, 2023, 05:54:08 PM »
With all due respect, Rabbis Weisberg and Heineman are (learned) ballebatim, not Rabbanim.
So I repeat, who are the current Rabbanim of the Lakewood Vaad?
Your "learned ballebatim" is your neighbor's daas torah

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4125 on: November 16, 2023, 06:03:45 PM »
Question regarding the last bunch of posts, if daas torah says to vote for the candidate, that should be it! Period. If daas torah says go vote, you must. Full stop. If said candidate is pro-development, that must be what daas torah wants.

What am i missing here?
Do you know who the current Daas Torah of the Lakewood Vaad is?
What are the names of the Rabbanim? We know the names of the Ballebatim on the Vaad, but we canít say Vaad= Daas Torah if we donít even know the Rabbanim involved.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4126 on: November 16, 2023, 06:08:22 PM »
Do you know who the current Daas Torah of the Lakewood Vaad is?
What are the names of the Rabbanim? We know the names of the Ballebatim on the Vaad, but we canít say Vaad= Daas Torah if we donít even know the Rabbanim involved.
No clue. You're on a need to know basis.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4128 on: November 16, 2023, 06:45:25 PM »
BUMP
Until now, candidates were endorsed by "the vaad". Schnall has the approval of the Moetzes. That is a whole different level. I think when the Moetzes backs someone, it's a tremendous chutzpa when an individual uses their publication to directly oppose them.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4129 on: November 16, 2023, 08:12:12 PM »
I usually vote straight republican, he took me out of my comfort zone,
you ever listened to reb avigdor miller?
This is lunacy. He is not the Democrat Rí Avigdor Miller was ever referring to. I mentioned this svara to a close relative and Talmud of Rí Millerís in Lakewood and he literally laughed (a chidush in its own right).
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4130 on: November 16, 2023, 08:38:20 PM »
This is lunacy. He is not the Democrat Rí Avigdor Miller was ever referring to. I mentioned this svara to a close relative and Talmud of Rí Millerís in Lakewood and he literally laughed (a chidush in its own right).
Why not?
You honestly believe Schnall wouldn't vote for any classic Dem bill if it helped him get tuition relief?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4131 on: November 16, 2023, 08:42:25 PM »
Been MIA for a while so just caught up on this thread. Something Iím sensing here, and by extension is certainly symptomatic of the broader community since the DDF community is highly educated, is the lack of awareness of the extreme importance of bloc voting. This is something that has been known and used effectively across politics since forever and Lakewood has really not taken advantage of it effectively enough.

That all just changed.

Iím not saying Avi wonít try to make tuition happen on some level. Perhaps thatís even why weíre trying to show our bloc power now, to make waves in Trenton about this issue. But that wasnít the fundamental concept underlying his candidacy. It didnít need to be him to happen. It was just a gamble that could underscore how powerful a demographic we truly are.

If people would understand the importance of the bloc vote and recognize how on a statewide level- not necessarily township level- voting as a bloc is the only way to truly have politicians cater to our needs and wants, there would be no need for this massive concerted effort.

Explaining how heís going to help your individual needs isnít the nekudah of such a campaign. Unanimous Daías Torah (aside from a few perhaps well meaning Korachs) is *exactly* what should be used to communicate that the einei haíam- those who have the klal in mind, not your simplistic red/blue cheshbonos- are unified in their vision of what our obligation is.

IMO the only education we need more of in this regard is the understanding that your individual vote is literally worthless. Thereís an old joke told about the economist who met another economist at the voting station. Embarrassed, after blaming his presence on his wife, the first one said ďI wonít tell anyone if you donít tell anyone!Ē Only the power of the bloc grants your vote any meaning.

You decide. Do you want to be part of the bloc of the ďRed WaveĒ or of the ďJewish voteĒ? Which matters more for your family and your community?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4132 on: November 16, 2023, 08:43:29 PM »
Why not?
You honestly believe Schnall wouldn't vote for any classic Dem bill if it helped him get tuition relief?
Correct. Trenton is well aware that he wonít vote for any LGBT or pro-abortion bill, and is ok with that as long as he helps them on other issues like the budget. The fact that youíre even questioning this is laughable.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4133 on: November 16, 2023, 09:08:21 PM »
Much of this discussion, and the daas Torah voting debate is conflating two different subjects.

One is the city of Lakewood, where weíve seen way too much overdevelopment, tax abatements, variances, etc. approved by elected officials.

The other subject is State and Presidential elections.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4134 on: November 16, 2023, 09:27:42 PM »
Correct. Trenton is well aware that he wonít vote for any LGBT or pro-abortion bill, and is ok with that as long as he helps them on other issues like the budget. The fact that youíre even questioning this is laughable.

Itís actually a fair question, especially since itís common to throw in funding for the progressive agenda into the budget.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4135 on: November 16, 2023, 10:45:24 PM »
Correct. Trenton is well aware that he wonít vote for any LGBT or pro-abortion bill, and is ok with that as long as he helps them on other issues like the budget. The fact that youíre even questioning this is laughable.
I know he says that but I don't believe it for a second.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4136 on: November 16, 2023, 10:46:39 PM »
I know he says that but I don't believe it for a second.
Do you know him?
Because I do, and I absolutely believe it.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4137 on: November 16, 2023, 11:06:10 PM »
Do you know him?
Because I do, and I absolutely believe it.
See the entry for Yechiel Kalish.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4138 on: November 16, 2023, 11:16:22 PM »
See the entry for Yechiel Kalish.
He represented a democratic district, totally different story.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4139 on: November 16, 2023, 11:36:41 PM »
I guess we'll see...
I hope youre right