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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4360 on: February 29, 2024, 04:29:19 PM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4364 on: March 06, 2024, 11:06:47 PM »
Do you think there's an audience in Lakewood for an Element ary school or mesivta that takes General Studies seriously?

On the par of a Chofetz Chaim or Torah Vedaas or YBH?
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« Reply #4365 on: March 06, 2024, 11:20:28 PM »
Do you think there's an audience in Lakewood for an Element ary school or mesivta that takes General Studies seriously?

On the par of a Chofetz Chaim or Torah Vedaas or YBH?
I have a son in 2nd grade, and I hope that trend reverts back to having good general studies by the time he's in mesivta.

I think it's very challenging to find teachers

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4366 on: March 06, 2024, 11:33:15 PM »
I have a son in 2nd grade, and I hope that trend reverts back to having good general studies by the time he's in mesivta.

I think it's very challenging to find teachers
You can find them as long as you're willing to pay for them.

That said, you can get general studies in a way that is more than adequate for anything he needs for parnasa purposes through the GED programs around town. Those can easily be improved upon if the kid enjoys reading quality books. Other items like various aspects of world history may get left out.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4367 on: March 06, 2024, 11:40:44 PM »
Do you think there's an audience in Lakewood for an Element ary school or mesivta that takes General Studies seriously?

On the par of a Chofetz Chaim or Torah Vedaas or YBH?
20 years ago, no
today, definitely 
 
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4368 on: March 06, 2024, 11:46:20 PM »
20 years ago, no
today, defiantly
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« Reply #4369 on: March 06, 2024, 11:49:02 PM »
You can find them as long as you're willing to pay for them.

That said, you can get general studies in a way that is more than adequate for anything he needs for parnasa purposes through the GED programs around town. Those can easily be improved upon if the kid enjoys reading quality books. Other items like various aspects of world history may get left out.
Aside from the actual knowledge, I want my son to have other intellectual outlets *during* yeshiva hours. I don't think it's healthy for all high school aged kids to be focused on only learning. Some people have brains which are better suited for non limudei kodesh studies and allowing them to see their abilities is a boon for their self esteem.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4370 on: March 06, 2024, 11:59:59 PM »
Aside from the actual knowledge, I want my son to have other intellectual outlets *during* yeshiva hours. I don't think it's healthy for all high school aged kids to be focused on only learning. Some people have brains which are better suited for non limudei kodesh studies and allowing them to see their abilities is a boon for their self esteem.
There are already some which have the GED program in school and is run seriously
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4371 on: March 07, 2024, 12:00:12 AM »
Parents wanting their children to have a robust secular education doesnít necessarily mean the children have any interest. Children without interest make it hard to teach.

Boys who excel in לימודי קודש  have little interest in the mostly useless subjects taught in HS.

A parent who wants a better לימודי קודש program will always be forced to give up on the לימודי חול aspect.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4372 on: March 07, 2024, 12:12:54 AM »



A parent who wants a better לימודי קודש program will always be forced to give up on the לימודי חול aspect.

This is simply untrue
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4374 on: March 07, 2024, 12:15:40 AM »
Very true
Just open your eyes and you will find very good yeshivas with solid English. Go back 20 years and you didn't even need to search.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4375 on: March 07, 2024, 12:17:10 AM »
Just open your eyes and you will find very good yeshivas with solid English. Go back 20 years and you didn't even need to search.
The even better yeshivos (Academically) donít have.

Why is 20 years ago relevant?

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« Reply #4376 on: March 07, 2024, 12:19:47 AM »
The even better yeshivos (Academically) donít have.

Why is 20 years ago relevant?
Isn't Weinberger's considered a top yeshiva? Berkowitz-Pinter etc.
They may not be as yeshivish, but the yeshivas are supposed to be on par with other more yeshivish top places when it comes to learning.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4377 on: March 07, 2024, 12:21:16 AM »
Parents wanting their children to have a robust secular education doesnít necessarily mean the children have any interest. Children without interest make it hard to teach.
Also doesn't help when the rabbeim themselves don't have any interest in or respect for general studies. Their talmidim pick up on this.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4378 on: March 07, 2024, 12:22:44 AM »
Isn't Weinberger's considered a top yeshiva? Berkowitz-Pinter etc.
They may not be as yeshivish, but the yeshivas are supposed to be on par with top places when it comes to learning.
Curious if this is indeed true that they are considered equally top (learning wise) to places that donít. (I donít know any of these places personally)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4379 on: March 07, 2024, 12:23:01 AM »
Also doesn't help when the rabbeim themselves don't have any interest in or respect for general studies. Their talmidim pick up on this.
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Which is almost always the case as a Yeshivish viewpoint is that there is no inherent point in Secular studies