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The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4820 on: November 27, 2024, 12:51:47 PM »
What about riding on sidewalks? Goes both ways. Almost got hit by a (helmetless) biker the other night.
Yeah they belong in the street. And needs to be taught that if you're in the street you need to drive *with* traffic flow.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4821 on: November 27, 2024, 01:27:58 PM »
Hate to say it but the entire electric scooter/bike idea should go. Since when was it ok for a 10-year-old, or even a 15-year-old old to be in charge of an electric-powered device that goes north of 15mph (and some much faster)? There's a reason why people have to get a permit and take a test before they drive a car or motorcycle (and that's an adult or older teenager). There are rules of the road and standards that are known and used by other drivers. When you have young, inexperienced people, especially when their brain isn't developed enough to properly understand risk and responsibility, it is putting EVERYBODY on the road at risk. From riding on sidewalks, going down the wrong way on the street, going too fast, not having working lights at night, speeding in a parking lot, flying through red lights and stop signs, and so many more things. These are things that probably most, if not all, of us have experienced when walking and driving around these kids on electric devices.
I do understand that there is peer pressure ('everybody' has it...) and it is a convenience for the parents. I, too, gave in to my kids during Covid (and was super happy when those devices broke!). And I do consider myself lucky that my kids now don't have that peer pressure. But we have to realize the risk and damage that we are allowing when we allow our kids to get these 'toys'. I will say that both, my son's yeshiva as well as my shul don't allow these devices on grounds and have taken a very strong stand against them. That takes away the peer pressure aspect of it for most parents.
(I won't touch on the outrageous amounts of money being wasted on them lol)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4822 on: November 27, 2024, 10:47:20 PM »
Hate to say it but the entire electric scooter/bike idea should go. Since when was it ok for a 10-year-old, or even a 15-year-old old to be in charge of an electric-powered device that goes north of 15mph (and some much faster)? There's a reason why people have to get a permit and take a test before they drive a car or motorcycle (and that's an adult or older teenager). There are rules of the road and standards that are known and used by other drivers. When you have young, inexperienced people, especially when their brain isn't developed enough to properly understand risk and responsibility, it is putting EVERYBODY on the road at risk. From riding on sidewalks, going down the wrong way on the street, going too fast, not having working lights at night, speeding in a parking lot, flying through red lights and stop signs, and so many more things. These are things that probably most, if not all, of us have experienced when walking and driving around these kids on electric devices.
I do understand that there is peer pressure ('everybody' has it...) and it is a convenience for the parents. I, too, gave in to my kids during Covid (and was super happy when those devices broke!). And I do consider myself lucky that my kids now don't have that peer pressure. But we have to realize the risk and damage that we are allowing when we allow our kids to get these 'toys'. I will say that both, my son's yeshiva as well as my shul don't allow these devices on grounds and have taken a very strong stand against them. That takes away the peer pressure aspect of it for most parents.
(I won't touch on the outrageous amounts of money being wasted on them lol)
agreed 100%. I have a close relative in Lakewood who was hit by bochur riding one of those scooters. she had terrible injuries (broken ribs, broken nose, deep cuts that required many stitches ,brain bleed),  and over a year later is still not back to herself. She needed months of therapy to get herself functional and may never fully recover back to how she used to be. And no she isn't old , in her high 40s

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4823 on: November 27, 2024, 10:58:59 PM »
100% agreed. I've almost run over kids on scooters a couple times. They come flying out from behind/between cars, sometime with no lights at night. They just don't have the awareness or skills to drive safely.

I also once got hit by a kid on am electric bike on a sidewalk in Israel. Kid came flying out of a pedestrian path onto the sidewalk. I was young so bh no big injuries, but the fall ripped a nice coat that I was wearing, and I had cuts on my hands and knees. The kid mumbled some sort of half-apology and sped off.

I've considered getting a scooter myself as it would get me to my office quicker than driving when the weather is nice, but have always felt that the risk is too high, both in terms of not feeling fully in control of the scooter, and in terms of drivers doing stupid things. Not worth the risk IMHO.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4824 on: November 28, 2024, 11:17:15 AM »
Ahhh agree completely!! Then show up out of nowhere and you have to break hard not to hit them .. it's crazy!!

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4827 on: December 02, 2024, 02:20:15 PM »
You can't post that without the full context

https://lakewoodalerts.com/mailbag-chabad-coverage-and-bmg-erasure-stop-with-your-garbage-and-stand-up-for-torah/
It was clearly either a troll or tls posting it themselves.
What is this feud between the Yeshiva and tls about?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4829 on: December 02, 2024, 02:36:07 PM »
It was clearly either a troll or tls posting it themselves.


Of course. Nobody who is still reading it is suddenly stopping now over this.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4830 on: December 02, 2024, 02:51:22 PM »
You can't post that without the full context

https://lakewoodalerts.com/mailbag-chabad-coverage-and-bmg-erasure-stop-with-your-garbage-and-stand-up-for-torah/
LOL Funny to see YWN take the high ground, they happen to be right in this case. But they are just as bad or worse than the scoop in every other regard.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2024, 02:57:12 PM by shlomoandtam »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4831 on: December 02, 2024, 03:05:54 PM »
LOL Funny to see YWN take the high ground, they happen to be right in this case. But they are just as bad or worse than the scoop in every other regard.
I think lack of self awareness is a requirement in frum media

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4832 on: December 02, 2024, 03:08:04 PM »
I think lack of self awareness is a requirement in frum media

Extends beyond just frum "media", people with self awareness usually shy away from most public arenas in our world, leaving that space for those who lack it.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2024, 03:11:45 PM by EliJelly »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4833 on: December 02, 2024, 05:27:36 PM »
I think lack of self awareness is a requirement in frum media

DD is definitely not frum media then :P
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4834 on: December 02, 2024, 05:32:56 PM »
DD is definitely not frum media then :P

No it is social media.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4835 on: December 02, 2024, 08:58:33 PM »
No it is social media.

DD(MS, not DDF) is social media? They have a social media presence, but it’s the same format as the rest of  “frum media” online - articles/posts with comments.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4836 on: December 02, 2024, 09:05:58 PM »
Elon Musk is buying off TLS for 42 thousand dollars!

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4837 on: December 02, 2024, 09:20:12 PM »
Elon Musk is buying off TLS for 42 thousand dollars!

Correction: $42,069
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4838 on: December 02, 2024, 09:32:07 PM »
Elon Musk is buying off TLS for 42 thousand dollars!
Rechnitz FM style?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4839 on: December 04, 2024, 10:16:17 AM »
I saw a sign advertising an all-women-driver car service last night.
I think it was called Batuach. I don't remember hearing of it before.
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