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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #600 on: March 22, 2021, 08:14:29 PM »
It’s possible that in future stories that paint lkwd in a negative way, they won’t be believed as much.
By whom? At the end of the day if this guy wasn't bad then why make him bad?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #601 on: March 22, 2021, 08:33:43 PM »
What do we gain from that?

We don’t support those who hate us. Good enough for me.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #602 on: March 22, 2021, 08:39:15 PM »
It is a tricky situation. Gustavo Martinez was significantly better for the frum community than his predecessor. It is unlikely that whoever would take him over would be as unharmful as he was.

But by the same token, when someone shows his true colors, it can be damaging to allow that to slide, as it can create a new normal in which open hatred goes unpunished. It can also embolden someone to be more open with his bigoted sentiments.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #603 on: March 22, 2021, 08:48:24 PM »
It is a tricky situation. Gustavo Martinez was significantly better for the frum community than his predecessor. It is unlikely that whoever would take him over would be as unharmful as he was.

But by the same token, when someone shows his true colors, it can be damaging to allow that to slide, as it can create a new normal in which open hatred goes unpunished. It can also embolden someone to be more open with his bigoted sentiments.

Is it confirmed that Gustavo wrote this? Regardless, whoever wrote the caption knew that as a placeholder it would be fine with their colleagues, and to me that shows that the APP is oozing with bigotry (not a chiddush).
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #604 on: March 22, 2021, 08:49:59 PM »
Is it confirmed that Gustavo wrote this? Regardless, whoever wrote the caption knew that as a placeholder it would be fine with their colleagues, and to me that shows that the APP is oozing with bigotry (not a chiddush).
It has not been officially confirmed that Gustavo wrote it, but I have reason to believe that it was him.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #605 on: March 22, 2021, 10:21:45 PM »
It is a tricky situation. Gustavo Martinez was significantly better for the frum community than his predecessor. It is unlikely that whoever would take him over would be as unharmful as he was.

But by the same token, when someone shows his true colors, it can be damaging to allow that to slide, as it can create a new normal in which open hatred goes unpunished. It can also embolden someone to be more open with his bigoted sentiments.
He was great until he was called out for calling out the mask less and got offended

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #606 on: March 22, 2021, 10:55:55 PM »
We don’t support those who hate us. Good enough for me.
Do you really feel this was so hateful? I can see Trump using exactly this language.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #607 on: March 22, 2021, 10:57:37 PM »
Do you really feel this was so hateful? I can see Trump using exactly this language.
There is a big difference between someone who says it and expects it in return, than someone who spends his entire public life declaring that everyone who is insensitive as a racist and then says this.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #608 on: March 22, 2021, 10:58:01 PM »
It is a tricky situation. Gustavo Martinez was significantly better for the frum community than his predecessor. It is unlikely that whoever would take him over would be as unharmful as he was.

But by the same token, when someone shows his true colors, it can be damaging to allow that to slide, as it can create a new normal in which open hatred goes unpunished. It can also embolden someone to be more open with his bigoted sentiments.
It already didn't slide and was called out. There is no reason to go far enough that someone who has been pretty fair to the community needs to get fired over this.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #609 on: March 22, 2021, 10:59:00 PM »
Lkwd township is cutting ties with APP
Nice!
This has 1st amendment implications.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #610 on: March 22, 2021, 10:59:19 PM »
It already didn't slide and was called out. There is no reason to go far enough that someone who has been pretty fair to the community needs to get fired over this.
I will not call for his firing, as I think it would be better if he remains, but that doesn't change the fact that he should be fired by the standards he set.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #611 on: March 22, 2021, 11:00:37 PM »
the standards he set.
which have been decried on these forums countless times as being
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #612 on: March 22, 2021, 11:04:09 PM »
I'm not advocating for his termination, but he should also be fired for the simple reason that he no zero credibility anymore. He's written so many articles about respecting women and minorities. We all know now that it was all a sham, a complete façade. Why would anyone want to read any of his articles again?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #613 on: March 22, 2021, 11:05:40 PM »
I'm not advocating for his termination, but he should also be fired for the simple reason that he no zero credibility anymore. He's written so many articles about respecting women and minorities. We all know now that it was all a sham, a complete façade. Why would anyone want to read any of his articles again?
Of course I respect women. Nobody respects women more than me. especially that hot.....
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #614 on: March 22, 2021, 11:11:51 PM »
I'm not advocating for his termination, but he should also be fired for the simple reason that he no zero credibility anymore. He's written so many articles about respecting women and minorities. We all know now that it was all a sham, a complete façade. Why would anyone want to read any of his articles again?
Now we know why people write and use the internet under a pseudonym. Amirite

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #615 on: March 22, 2021, 11:13:15 PM »
Now we know why people write and use the internet under a pseudonym. Amirite
Wouldn't help here. This was at the same place he was writing.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #616 on: March 22, 2021, 11:16:27 PM »
I was once in a courtroom after a jury trial and the judge told the jury, "you can talk to whoever you want about what happened here, but don't say anything that you would have trouble repeating here to my face."

General rule is, don't ever write something, even under a fake name, if you would not be willing to back it up in person.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #617 on: March 22, 2021, 11:32:00 PM »
Do you really feel this was so hateful? I can see Trump using exactly this language.

I don’t remember Trump using terms like JAP as he usually goes with innuendo, but regardless I hold media organizations to a higher standard than politicians.

It already didn't slide and was called out. There is no reason to go far enough that someone who has been pretty fair to the community needs to get fired over this.

I don’t think he needs to be fired. But both the person responsible and their colleagues need to take responsibility and apologize properly. As I mentioned previously there’s many people responsible when a bigot is comfortable sharing his racist views in a woke environment. This taints every article they have written that involves Jews. They should also do something positive to undo the damage they constantly deal out, perhaps dedicate one article a month to highlight Jewish accomplishments.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #618 on: March 23, 2021, 09:42:06 AM »
Fired

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