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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #660 on: April 11, 2021, 03:01:42 PM »
There should be a rule: if someone did something so egregious that he deserves to be called out and shamed publicly, any time he is named, you must name the rabbonim who decided he deserves it. IM(uneducated)O, if you feel strongly enough about what he did to give permission for public bashing, you should be ok with having your name on every single article or protest. If you aren't ready to have your name out there every time the guy is mentioned, maybe you shouldn't be giving permission for others to publicly shame him. The anonymous "rabbonim and askanim" is so overused and so wrong.

Nice rule, but there’s a clear double standard with “Rabbanim and Askanim” (and by extension the media that publicizes these things) having the upper hand here.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #661 on: April 11, 2021, 03:10:35 PM »
There should be a rule: if someone did something so egregious that he deserves to be called out and shamed publicly, any time he is named, you must name the rabbonim who decided he deserves it. IM(uneducated)O, if you feel strongly enough about what he did to give permission for public bashing, you should be ok with having your name on every single article or protest. If you aren't ready to have your name out there every time the guy is mentioned, maybe you shouldn't be giving permission for others to publicly shame him. The anonymous "rabbonim and askanim" is so overused and so wrong.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #662 on: April 11, 2021, 03:59:54 PM »
There should be a rule: if someone did something so egregious that he deserves to be called out and shamed publicly, any time he is named, you must name the rabbonim who decided he deserves it. IM(uneducated)O, if you feel strongly enough about what he did to give permission for public bashing, you should be ok with having your name on every single article or protest. If you aren't ready to have your name out there every time the guy is mentioned, maybe you shouldn't be giving permission for others to publicly shame him. The anonymous "rabbonim and askanim" is so overused and so wrong.

In this particular case, I'm afraid the if push comes to shove, you'd have pretty much every single respectable Lakewood Rav do exactly that.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #663 on: April 11, 2021, 04:07:34 PM »
In this particular case, I'm afraid the if push comes to shove, you'd have pretty much every single respectable Lakewood Rav do exactly that.

Good. I don't have a dog in this fight. I just think it goes against everything we stand for to publicly destroy people's lives based on anonymous "Rabbonim and Askanim." If the person deserves it, let those who decided so stand up and say, "My name is Rabbi X and this person did X and needs to do X to fix it."
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #664 on: April 11, 2021, 08:10:26 PM »
honestly think its crazy to protest outside of his house
keep in mind chateau park is a development
there were bochrim there way past midnight besides all the screaming and commotion there was a lot of egg throwing involved as well
police were all over the place..... it was overall extremely unpleasant to anyone in that area
and that's not including the guys wife and kids who are probably mortified and scared
i just feel like if you have a problem with him which i understand why someone would
deal with him not his neighbors and family

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #665 on: April 11, 2021, 10:22:19 PM »
Seems like nothing to do with "moser" but a personal vendetta from the owner of The Voice and his cronies to try and force him to be quiet/disgrace him.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #666 on: April 11, 2021, 11:48:50 PM »
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6786992769224232960?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A6786992769224232960%2C6786999949843304448%29

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #667 on: April 18, 2021, 11:17:03 AM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #668 on: April 27, 2021, 10:40:53 AM »
https://www.njoag.gov/ag-grewal-announces-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-jackson-township-for-using-zoning-powers-to-exclude-and-discriminate-against-orthodox-jews/

AG Grewal Announces Civil Rights Lawsuit Against Jackson Township for Using Zoning Powers to Exclude and Discriminate Against Orthodox Jews

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #669 on: April 27, 2021, 10:53:38 AM »
https://www.njoag.gov/ag-grewal-announces-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-jackson-township-for-using-zoning-powers-to-exclude-and-discriminate-against-orthodox-jews/

AG Grewal Announces Civil Rights Lawsuit Against Jackson Township for Using Zoning Powers to Exclude and Discriminate Against Orthodox Jews
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #671 on: April 27, 2021, 05:47:34 PM »
https://vosizneias.com/2021/04/27/lakewoods-bmg-bans-separate-seating-lag-baomer-concert-but-allows-mixed-event/
Terribly dishonest reporting.

The Minyan Shelanu event is not on anyone's radar. The Benny Friedman concert, however, has been widely advertised and it targets the Yeshiva community.

This is taking a page right out of CNN's playbook.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #672 on: April 27, 2021, 06:08:15 PM »
Terribly dishonest reporting.

The Minyan Shelanu event is not on anyone's radar. The Benny Friedman concert, however, has been widely advertised and it targets the Yeshiva community.

This is taking a page right out of CNN's playbook.

Looks like the biggest issue would be the wording of the link. There didn't seem to be any dishonest spin within the article.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #673 on: April 27, 2021, 06:10:55 PM »
The Minyan does advertise its event.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #674 on: April 27, 2021, 06:23:36 PM »
I just got a Robo call about it, and I can see why BMG doesn’t want it

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #675 on: April 27, 2021, 06:26:11 PM »
It's kinda weird because looking at the lag baomer organizers/sponsors and it seems to be the establishment fighting itself.
Maybe that explains why the BMG protest is missing a signature.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #676 on: April 27, 2021, 06:27:37 PM »
I just got a Robo call about it, and I can see why BMG doesn’t want it
Because it's run by chabad? (Saying the quiet part out loud.)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #677 on: April 27, 2021, 06:29:29 PM »
Because it's run by chabad? (Saying the quiet part out loud.)
Won’t confirm or deny

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #678 on: April 27, 2021, 06:32:11 PM »
Won’t confirm or deny
:) I know, it was a rhetorical question.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #679 on: April 27, 2021, 06:39:45 PM »
FWIW I’m not involved at all and this is the first time I’m hearing about it.
But that’s my 2 cents