Author Topic: The Future of Lakewood  (Read 105778 times)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #820 on: April 29, 2021, 04:27:41 PM »
I know. You were saying everyone is out to get us.

With all due respect, there were comments in this very thread saying they don't want their kids to be exposed to Lubavitchers telling them to make the Rebbe proud. There's no denying the anti-Lubavitch undercurrents to this, even if there are other legitimate reasons.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #821 on: April 29, 2021, 04:37:30 PM »

This is what he meant when he said you won't understand if you didn't grow up in a certain environment. In litvishe yeshivish hashkafa, while there may not be anything wrong with this, and it may be a positive experience for some, it's not a place where a "Ben Torah" should be going, especially on lag beomee.

Which is *exactly* my point. The "ban" has nothing to do with the stadium or how you define concert. Peace out
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #822 on: April 29, 2021, 04:38:26 PM »
Old Lakewood has been dead for years, and the final nail in the coffin was the BMG live music exotic dinner during the 9 days. But you may argue that it technically wasn't a concert, and that was for the elites, not plebeians, so different rules should apply.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #823 on: April 29, 2021, 04:43:13 PM »
There have been plenty of similar events in the last few years. Every other random Sunday they'll be an Uncle Moishy concert in GG/Evergreen/Judaica store, etc.

I'm not even talking about the garbage fundraiser events where Naval Birshus Hatorah goes on, like Hookah bars and worse.

This discussion is so basic and clichéd, I don't understand why people are trying to make sense out of this.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #824 on: April 29, 2021, 04:50:45 PM »
the opposition to the event is just there to create a Shev V'al Taaseh
Same with the antivaxxers, just create enough doubt to keep people home
what self respecting "yungeleit" will allow his family to go if there is a chashash that he will be looked at as a Toms River Balebus

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #825 on: April 29, 2021, 05:01:58 PM »
the opposition to the event is just there to create a Shev V'al Taaseh
Same with the antivaxxers, just create enough doubt to keep people home
what self respecting "yungeleit" will allow his family to go if there is a chashash that he will be looked at as a Toms River Balebus
I'm not from Lakewood thankfully so I don't have an issue with the word "balabus", and I can't imagine why the Lakewood Yeshiva made that term derogatory, when the Mishna assigns that individual who twists the two together so they can't be separated the highest accolades.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #826 on: April 29, 2021, 05:03:40 PM »

How are kids supposed to see this? (Also, there's music in it.)
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #827 on: April 29, 2021, 05:15:27 PM »
I'm not from Lakewood thankfully so I don't have an issue with the word "balabus", and I can't imagine why the Lakewood Yeshiva made that term derogatory, when the Mishna assigns that individual who twists the two together so they can't be separated the highest accolades.
The derogatory part was Tom's River :P
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #828 on: April 29, 2021, 05:16:59 PM »
On that note... The reality is that Lakewood is changing drastically, from both inside and out. If the hashkafos of the community are paramount, it's time to stop playing checkers and start playing chess. When an event like this comes up, there are ways to control the program to be in line with your hashkafos instead of banning it. The event will happen anyway. Control the battlefield, don't die on it.

The best wat to encourage a future event to review plans with the tumulters is the fear that they will ruin everything by banning.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #829 on: April 29, 2021, 05:24:40 PM »
The best wat to encourage a future event to review plans with the tumulters is the fear that they will ruin everything by banning.

Or... and I know this is crazy... reach out and ask them to accommodate your ideas for a kosher program. I know, they'd probably tell you to jump in the lake and yell "Yechi Hamelech!" as they hung up. Or not.

And with regards to fear of bans, I know nothing about the organizers, but if they are Lubavitchers, a small showing isn't deterring them from doing it again. I can't tell you how many "grand" menorah lightings I've been to with less than 20 people there.

(Sorry for the snark. Not personal.)
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #830 on: April 29, 2021, 07:26:48 PM »
Anyone remember when this thread was frequented by just a few Lakewood know-it-alls who came here to share the inside corruption and to support each other as a tight knit group, with almost no outside visitors? Good times.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #831 on: April 29, 2021, 07:31:21 PM »
Anyone remember when this thread was frequented by just a few Lakewood know-it-alls who came here to share the inside corruption and to support each other as a tight knit group, with almost no outside visitors? Good times.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #833 on: May 02, 2021, 04:38:32 PM »
Where can I find the thread about 'the past of Lakewood'? How did basis kaileh land in middle of a road?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #834 on: May 02, 2021, 04:42:54 PM »
Out of curiosity of an outsider, what ended up happening with the Lag Ba'omer event?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #835 on: May 02, 2021, 05:02:03 PM »
Out of curiosity of an outsider, what ended up happening with the Lag Ba'omer event?

It took place, covered on LNN insta but interestingly not TLS

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #836 on: May 02, 2021, 05:54:07 PM »
Where can I find the thread about 'the past of Lakewood'? How did basis kaileh land in middle of a road?
When you have certain last names, there will be no opposition to vacating paper streets for you, even if common sense dictates that it should be made into a physical street.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #837 on: May 02, 2021, 06:09:22 PM »
When you have certain last names, there will be no opposition to vacating paper streets for you, even if common sense dictates that it should be made into a physical street.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #838 on: May 02, 2021, 07:04:32 PM »


When the check clears, there will be no opposition to vacating paper streets for you, even if common sense dictates that it should be made into a physical street.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #839 on: May 02, 2021, 07:55:31 PM »
It was allowed many years before traffic became an issue in town.