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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2016, 11:08:34 AM »
Everything else!!! How much is a mortgage on a 5 million dollar building? Oh right, we already 'established' that it's 'covered' by the dinner and rich dudes.
And building funds

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2016, 11:09:06 AM »
And building funds
Right. So we 'know' that that's a non issue.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2016, 11:12:08 AM »
Don't hurt yourself while doing it. It's nonsense. I'm not sure if you've spent any significant time in bmg but I can assure you that no such takana ever existed. At most, since chassidim were few and far between at that time there was a feeling that it was a litvishe oasis and a streimel would be looked at sideways. It's impossible to understand until you've lived the lifestyle. The same thing applies now to colored shirts. There's no takana about it and occasionally, especially during the summer, you'll find a few YU guys in bais medrash with a blue shirt and lots of colored pencils. They're treated very nicely but it's amusing.. That's all. I personally know someone who's lived in yeshiva's shadow for decades, wears a streimel and went into bmg all the time. I feel the same way when I go to a Tish. The chassidim think I'm a little weird and I feel out of place but we live and let live.
You cannot assure anyone anything based on what you perceive as what should have been. You simply don't know.
I suggest you actually ask pp like R Berel Leifer, R O C Leiberman etc why they never entered Bmg with their shtreimals.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2016, 11:19:28 AM »
Have you seen even a single budget for a local yeshiva?
There is a reason why they would never allow you to see their books. IMHO all mosdos/organizations that are funded with the public's money should be required to show their books so there should some accountability.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2016, 11:22:30 AM »


Don't hurt yourself while doing it. It's nonsense. I'm not sure if you've spent any significant time in bmg but I can assure you that no such takana ever existed. At most, since chassidim were few and far between at that time there was a feeling that it was a litvishe oasis and a streimel would be looked at sideways. It's impossible to understand until you've lived the lifestyle. The same thing applies now to colored shirts. There's no takana about it and occasionally, especially during the summer, you'll find a few YU guys in bais medrash with a blue shirt and lots of colored pencils. They're treated very nicely but it's amusing.. That's all. I personally know someone who's lived in yeshiva's shadow for decades, wears a streimel and went into bmg all the time. I feel the same way when I go to a Tish. The chassidim think I'm a little weird and I feel out of place but we live and let live.

True. I've walked into that chasidish shul on county line with two irreligious friends (leather jacket, jeans, and all), no one (besides the kids) had a problem, in fact they all tried to make sure they were happy, had thier coffee...
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2016, 11:23:08 AM »
There is a reason why they would never allow you to see their books. IMHO all mosdos/organizations that are funded with the public's money should be required to show their books so there should some accountability.
The problem with making their book public is people will start nitpicking on every tiny thing.

You spent how much on pizza?  Oy
Why aren't you switching to alternative energy?  You should really have solar panels.
What???  You pay the principal how much???
Why did you change so many lightbulbs?
Your janitorial supply costs are too much. Stop using Mr. Clean and switch to my Bro in law who is a supplier and is cheaper.

While some of the questions would be valid, many would be simple complaints from people that don't understand everything that goes into running a school .

Just look at some of the idiotic comments on TLS when discussing the BOE. Allowing everyone to nitpick at the budget will just get people more upset and for the most part won't bring about any constructive changes.  Too many cooks type of thing.


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2016, 11:25:01 AM »
The problem with makingt heirr book public os people will start nitpicking on every tiny thing.

You spent how much on pizza?  Oy
Why aren't you switching to alternative energy?  You should really have solar panels.
What???  You pay the principal how much???

While some of the questions would be valid, many would be simple compalint from people that don't understand everything that goes into running a school .

Just look at some of the idiotic comments on TLS when discussing the BOE. Allowing everyone to nitpick at the budget will just get people more upset and for the most part won't bring about any constructive changes.

What about the millionaires supporting the schools, they have enough brains to understand a budget.
Shouldn't they be able to analyze it?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2016, 11:27:24 AM »
The problem with makingt heirr book public os people will start nitpicking on every tiny thing.

You spent how much on pizza?  Oy
Why aren't you switching to alternative energy?  You should really have solar panels.
What???  You pay the principal how much???
Why did you change so many lightbulbs?
Your janitorial supply costs are too much. Stop using Mr. Clean and switch to my Bro in law who is a supplier and is cheaper.

While some of the questions would be valid, many would be simple compalint from people that don't understand everything that goes into running a school .

Just look at some of the idiotic comments on TLS when discussing the BOE. Allowing everyone to nitpick at the budget will just get people more upset and for the most part won't bring about any constructive changes.  Too many cooks type of thing.
So have a committee of responsible/professional individuals who will review.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2016, 11:28:01 AM »
So have a committee of responsible/professional individuals who will review.
Most schools have that. It's called a Board of Directors.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2016, 11:28:53 AM »
What about the millionaires supporting the schools, they have enough brains to understand a budget.
Shouldn't they be able to analyze it?
Maybe they do.

The books are unaudited so it means nothing to me either way.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2016, 11:29:54 AM »
Most schools have that. It's called a Board of Directors.
Dream on. Most school in LW are run by owner with NO oversight. Same with a lot of organizations that raise millions.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2016, 11:30:26 AM »
Fyi: If you want to do the math the cheder took in $22,322,950 in 2014.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2016, 11:31:13 AM »
Maybe they do.

The books are unaudited so it means nothing to me either way.
Point of the committee would be to audit.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2016, 12:10:14 PM »
Fyi: If you want to do the math the cheder took in $22,322,950 in 2014.
what is your calculation?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2016, 12:10:53 PM »
what is your calculation?
Their documents
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