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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2016, 12:18:00 PM »
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #76 on: January 03, 2016, 12:18:59 PM »
Unless yeshivas open up their books there's nothing else to work with...
Have you bother going down and asking them if you care that much or are they supposed to file their budget with hamodia? I know someone that didn't want to pay full tuition and was spewing the same garbage as you guys and asked to see the chesbon and was shown it
Obviously not referring necessarily to the behemoth schools

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2016, 12:26:07 PM »
Can I just clarify something without upsetting anybody (probably not) but please tell me if this is in one sentence what this is all about?

A community that was started expressly for being the bastion of a certain kind of Torah hashkafa is now at risk of collapsing from within due to materialism and/or being simultaneously swallowed up for the outside by an influx of chasidim (mostly Satmar) from Brooklyn.

If I'm wrong, don't get offended; just correct me.
now this post takes the cake....
should we go through certain neighborhoods in Lakewood etc and start comparing the collapses of torah hashkafah? I think that will lead to lots of unnecessary Loshon hora, but you get the point.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2016, 12:27:49 PM »
Again...I beg your forgiveness in advance but this thread answers all my questions by answering none of my questions. You see, what started as (I thought) a discussion of how to keep the original LW dream alive has immediately devolved into a Jackie Mason routine about Jews at a restaurant trying to figure out how much the guy makes.

Takke ein kemach ein Torah but when the discussion if money supplants the discussion if ideology then it is small wonder when that ideology is losing ground bgashmius (ein Torah ein kemach.)

I wonder where the real ideological Litvaks will go to begin anew  based on hashkafa and not on a business model.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2016, 12:31:30 PM »
which
Was searching online. Cant find it again. Heres 2003 thou 2003 Lakewood cheder.pdf
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99cFiIyGDBpakxLcU5Db0dLS0k/view?usp=docslist_api
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2016, 12:33:19 PM »
You cannot assure anyone anything based on what you perceive as what should have been. You simply don't know.
I suggest you actually ask pp like R Berel Leifer, R O C Leiberman etc why they never entered Bmg with their shtreimals.
Just so I understand how this works, I cannot assure anything based on what I perceive but you can say I'm lying about my friend who lives right near yeshiva? But I'm pretty sure that if I asked either one of those Rabbis, neither would say the word takana.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #81 on: January 03, 2016, 12:36:30 PM »

Maybe they do.

The books are unaudited so it means nothing to me either way.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. You think a bank would lend millions of dollars without an audit or at the very least a review?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #82 on: January 03, 2016, 12:41:41 PM »
http://pdfs.citizenaudit.org/2014_06_EO/22-2137420_990_201308.pdf

Google the name of the school you are interested in searching for the 990
ie Lakewood Cheder 990
Bais Faiga 990
« Last Edit: January 03, 2016, 12:46:35 PM by MarkS »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2016, 12:46:39 PM »
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #84 on: January 03, 2016, 01:00:39 PM »
Again...I beg your forgiveness in advance but this thread answers all my questions by answering none of my questions. You see, what started as (I thought) a discussion of how to keep the original LW dream alive has immediately devolved into a Jackie Mason routine about Jews at a restaurant trying to figure out how much the guy makes.

Takke ein kemach ein Torah but when the discussion if money supplants the discussion if ideology then it is small wonder when that ideology is losing ground bgashmius (ein Torah ein kemach.)

I wonder where the real ideological Litvaks will go to begin anew  based on hashkafa and not on a business model.

Very good point.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #85 on: January 03, 2016, 01:08:58 PM »
Just so I understand how this works, I cannot assure anything based on what I perceive but you can say I'm lying about my friend who lives right near yeshiva? But I'm pretty sure that if I asked either one of those Rabbis, neither would say the word takana.

Let's get something clear.

Are you saying that your friend has been entering Bmg bottei medrash with a shtreimal for decades or not?
I'm telling you that he has not.

You can use the word hakpadah of R Shneiur if you prefer.

Obviously in today's PC world I doubt that the Roshei Yeshiva are still makpid. (But I can't be sure what you would be told if you actually sincerely asked them what to do..)



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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #86 on: January 03, 2016, 01:24:53 PM »
I'm pretty sure that's not true. You think a bank would lend millions of dollars without an audit or at the very least a review?
according to page 12 it is audited

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #87 on: January 03, 2016, 01:27:41 PM »
Let's get something clear.

Are you saying that your friend has been entering Bmg bottei medrash with a shtreimal for decades or not?
I'm telling you that he has not.

You can use the word hakpadah of R Shneiur if you prefer.

Obviously in today's PC world I doubt that the Roshei Yeshiva are still makpid. (But I can't be sure what you would be told if you actually sincerely asked them what to do..)
There were very few "real" chassidim in reb schneurs time
and they either davened by Satmar or Kirshevsky
and if they needed to go into the "Old" BMG BM with a Striemel they did

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #89 on: January 03, 2016, 01:29:32 PM »
according to page 12 it is audited
Correct. In accordance with OMB Circular A-133, non-profit entities that receive over 500K in federal funds need to be audited.