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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2016, 05:07:48 PM »
@Freddie is this not true in other enclaves as well? Like KJ? New square? 770? Bobov? YU? Israeli communities?
Just asking.  והכסף יענה את הכל Has always been true. 

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #106 on: January 03, 2016, 05:21:51 PM »


Amazing. So if you can't talk about gelt then there's really nothing to talk about. Wow. So this really has nothing to do with a Torah hashkafa. It's all just about star-belly sneeches on the beaches and don't you dare come into New Lithuania with your Galitzianer headgear.

Well, if that is really true then the original intentions of LW's founding fathers really has been lost. You've got no reason to protect yourself from the "immigrants." Not unless you stand for something.

This wasn't good?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #107 on: January 03, 2016, 05:22:43 PM »
The claim of BMG having a no shtreimal rule, is totally blown out of proportion.
And it definitely wasn't followed even 20 years ago.
It was at best an unspoken rule 50 years ago.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #108 on: January 03, 2016, 05:29:07 PM »
This conversation is useless either way.
Lakewood has nothing to do with it's original intent anymore, and we are too far along to change that.
In a way, it's like the U.S Constitution.   :)


Sadly there are many yiddin who's life motto is: Oilam HaBa is a gutte zach, Oilam HaZeh is a besser zach.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #109 on: January 03, 2016, 05:45:16 PM »
This conversation is useless either way.
Lakewood has nothing to do with it's original intent anymore, and we are too far along to change that.
In a way, it's like the U.S Constitution.   :)


Sadly there are many yiddin who's life motto is: Oilam HaBa is a gutte zach, Oilam HaZeh is a besser zach.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #110 on: January 03, 2016, 05:57:02 PM »
Amazing. So if you can't talk about gelt then there's really nothing to talk about. Wow. So this really has nothing to do with a Torah hashkafa. It's all just about star-belly sneeches on the beaches and don't you dare come into New Lithuania with your Galitzianer headgear.

Well, if that is really true then the original intentions of LW's founding fathers really has been lost. You've got no reason to protect yourself from the "immigrants." Not unless you stand for something.
I like your passion and outlook.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #111 on: January 03, 2016, 07:07:19 PM »
@Freddie is this not true in other enclaves as well? Like KJ? New square? 770? Bobov? YU? Israeli communities?
Just asking.  והכסף יענה את הכל Has always been true.

Yeah, money and power almost always ruin everything but the difference between Lakewood and all the other examples you cited are that they didn't give way to "foreign" influences. KJ isn't getting flooded by Litvaks. Crown Heights isn't even considered a place to live by any frummer Yidden but Chabad. New Square for anyone other than Skvir? I don't think so.

So why is it that when Lakewood became all about the money it didn't at least remain a place for the original community it was founded for to fight about money?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #112 on: January 03, 2016, 07:23:10 PM »
Heard from an odom chochom:


"לייקווד האט גווין עמאל נאר דרי הונדראט ישיבהלייט, איז דא נאך אלצ היינט  דרי הונדראט ישיבהלייט "

(Pardon my Yiddish)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #113 on: January 03, 2016, 07:30:47 PM »
Heard from an odom chochom:


"לייקווד האט גווין עמאל נאר דרי הונדראט ישיבהלייט, איז דא נאך אלצ היינט  דרי הונדראט ישיבהלייט "

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #114 on: January 03, 2016, 08:01:55 PM »
If they want to make a shtettl for just litvish learning people they will need to do like kj and new square. Takanos takanos takanos, and nothing happens without the rosh of the town saying to do it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you would be possible to have a city of people just learning there will be nobody to support them.
In order to have a city of people learning the whole day you have to have an equal balance of working people

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #115 on: January 03, 2016, 08:16:49 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you would be possible to have a city of people just learning there will be nobody to support them.
In order to have a city of people learning the whole day you have to have an equal balance of working people
If there is a yeshiva with 7000 people, with proper funding they should be able to have thier own place with houses for kollel guys and all w/o being based around a community
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #116 on: January 03, 2016, 08:18:18 PM »
So why is it that when Lakewood became all about the money it didn't at least remain a place for the original community it was founded for to fight about money?
Ah, this I can answer. Lakewood doesn't belong to a particular sect, Lakewood 'belongs' to yeshivaleit. Broadly, this includes all who learnt in litvish style yeshivos. The chassidim aren't the issue, they are self contained and very new, the materialism is brought in by Bnei Flatbush etc. and homegrown Lakewood Alumnus, who consider themselves as part of the original vision, since they are the contemporaries and friends of those who are still learning, and they too spent years pre and post marriage in kollel. Like @CBC, for example :)


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you would be possible to have a city of people just learning there will be nobody to support them.
In order to have a city of people learning the whole day you have to have an equal balance of working people
I think what the 'old school' guys are looking for are old school Lakewood Baaleibatim, like Dr. Shanik. Simple people who want to live in a yeshiva community so as to feel a sense of belonging and closeness to the yeshiva. And to answer your question, there were 48 Arei leviim. No one 'worked' there.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #117 on: January 03, 2016, 08:19:14 PM »
If there is a yeshiva with 7000 people, with proper funding they should be able to have thier own place with houses for kollel guys and all w/o being based around a community
LIke the NIRC model? if BMG was campus based that would work.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #118 on: January 03, 2016, 08:31:36 PM »
LIke the NIRC model? if BMG was campus based that would work.

NIRC is much smaller, charges tuition until Kollel (sometimes even during), and is funded heavily by the community and Alumni.  I don't think that's scalable to 7,000.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #119 on: January 03, 2016, 09:57:31 PM »
Like @CBC, for example :)
@CBC is an asset to Lakewood (and DDF)  :)
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