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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #120 on: January 03, 2016, 09:59:08 PM »
http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2016/01/audio-conversation-on-poverty-in.html?m=1

Aaron Kotler starts around 15:00

Discussing the viability of the kollel model

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #121 on: January 03, 2016, 10:00:45 PM »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #122 on: January 03, 2016, 10:04:58 PM »
@CBC is an asset to Lakewood (and DDF)  :)
I never intended to insinuate otherwise. So is Dr. Shanik. (not DDF, as far as I know).

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #123 on: January 03, 2016, 10:21:16 PM »
@CBC is an asset to Lakewood (and DDF)  :)
Aww thanks, I needed that !

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #124 on: January 03, 2016, 10:22:15 PM »


  Dr. Shanik. (not DDF, as far as I know).
Lol

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #125 on: January 04, 2016, 11:55:08 AM »
The claim of BMG having a no shtreimal rule, is totally blown out of proportion.
And it definitely wasn't followed even 20 years ago.
It was at best an unspoken rule 50 years ago.
I actually asked someone last night, someone who holds of himself as a talmid of R' Schneur and he insisted it was a Hakapada
So i stand corrected as well
and on that vein he also had a hakpada against Mitzva Tanzen by weddings

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #126 on: January 04, 2016, 12:23:22 PM »
I actually asked someone last night, someone who holds of himself as a talmid of R' Schneur and he insisted it was a Hakapada
So i stand corrected as well
and on that vein he also had a hakpada against Mitzva Tanzen by weddings
Chassidim are famously very proud of and makpid on their mesorah/minhagim. Nowadays, it's not so common to see this by Bnei Yeshivos. But the old time Litvishe Roshei Yeshivos certainly had this. That's (at least partly) what this is about.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #127 on: January 04, 2016, 01:53:24 PM »
It was more about the concept of tzuras hayshiva and the fact that chasidim have difficulties fully shteling tzu to the sedorim, Zemanim and mahalach of the yeshiva.
R Shneiur felt that a shtreimal is a stira to a proper tzurah.

(You have to be very yeshivish to understand this, don't worry if not.) ;)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #128 on: January 04, 2016, 02:12:16 PM »
It was more about the concept of tzuras hayshiva and the fact that chasidim have difficulties fully shteling tzu to the sedorim, Zemanim and mahalach of the yeshiva.
R Shneiur felt that a shtreimal is a stira to a proper tzurah.

(You have to be very yeshivish to understand this, don't worry if not.) ;)

I completely respect that.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2016, 12:34:00 PM »
I would imagine that at this point the "full fledged" chassidim coming to Lakewood will be beneficial to keeping the original "tzura" of Lakewood. THe ones moving to Lakewood have generally been those looking for more of the "yeshivishe" values and less of the tina baygel type. The ones who changed the face of Lakewood have primarily been from the ones who came to learn in Kollel for a year or two but were never really living that lifestyle and the others after they left kollel as well as those who moved for cheaper housing etc. but more litvish/heimish style. It is more of an effect of the yeshiva's policy that there be no other place for them to go. If there would be other options then they may have gone there and left Lakewood the way it was.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2016, 02:50:37 PM »
It is more of an effect of the yeshiva's policy that there be no other place for them to go.
Bingo. They are sleeping in the bed they made.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2016, 02:51:24 PM »
Bingo. They are sleeping in the bed they made.
I think the 2 theys in your sentence are different groups.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2016, 04:19:36 PM »
I think the 2 theys in your sentence are different groups.
Nope. Both referring to BMG and its successors, affiliates and anybody related to that entity.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2016, 04:46:32 PM »
Nope. Both referring to BMG and its successors, affiliates and anybody related to that entity.
I would say that the talmidim who are more interested in the "classic Lakewood" aresleeping in the bed made by some members of the hanhalas hayeshiva.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #136 on: January 07, 2016, 10:44:32 PM »



No, I didn't write it. But I like

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #138 on: January 10, 2016, 10:02:22 PM »
http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-as-rosy-as-it-seems.html?m=1
So this comment addresses your earlier position on the mosdos raking it in - maybe you should take him up on it?
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I know of a rosh mosad that made somebody an offer. I will give you all the tuition income if you agree to cover all the budget and expenses. So far nobody took him up on the offer

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2016, 10:08:00 PM »
So this comment addresses your earlier position on the mosdos raking it in - maybe you should take him up on it?
I'm not saying the roshei mosdos who are raking it in (not all of them BTW) don't work very hard for the money.

I have enough on my plate bh.. The last thing I need is to be a rosh mosad. Money or not.