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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #520 on: October 22, 2020, 12:35:22 PM »
More? not saying much. Much more? You need to rethink marketing.
He looks much more presentable, and he can string together a coherent message.

No, I wouldn't hire any of them to be my spokesperson, but in comparison, HH puts HT in his back pocket.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #521 on: October 22, 2020, 12:37:11 PM »
He looks much more presentable, and he can string together a coherent message.

No, I wouldn't hire any of them to be my spokesperson, but in comparison, HH puts HT in his back pocket.
Nah he is just burnt out.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #522 on: October 22, 2020, 02:11:31 PM »
I don't know much about the Lakewood politics, but if what he says is true, it sounds like they did a terrible job negotiating the contracts. Not sure what you could sure them for....

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #523 on: November 25, 2020, 09:35:21 AM »



https://www.app.com/story/news/local/communitychange/2020/11/24/lakewood-planning-board-sued-toldos-yaakov-yosef-yeshiva-linke-board-president/6267243002/

Lakewood Planning Board attorney basically saying that "if the zoning permits it, there obviously won't be any traffic problems."

This after the Planning Board keeps changing zones in Master Plans and gives non-stop variances to anyone who wants one.

Yeah, not so much...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #524 on: November 26, 2020, 02:11:57 AM »
Lakewood Planning Board attorney basically saying that "if the zoning permits it, there obviously won't be any traffic problems."

This after the Planning Board keeps changing zones in Master Plans and gives non-stop variances to anyone who wants one.

Yeah, not so much...

That's not at all what he's saying. The use is already permitted in that zone, and you can't reject an application solely due to a permitted use, even if you think it will turn out to badly. In other words, he's blaming it on poorly planned (or very well planned, depending who you ask) zoning ordinances that allows these uses without requiring parking, and furthermore for placing this property in that zone.

It's not the attorney's job to determine whether there will be any traffic problems, his job is to uphold the law as it applies in Lakewood.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #525 on: November 26, 2020, 07:05:07 AM »
That's not at all what he's saying. The use is already permitted in that zone, and you can't reject an application solely due to a permitted use, even if you think it will turn out to badly. In other words, he's blaming it on poorly planned (or very well planned, depending who you ask) zoning ordinances that allows these uses without requiring parking, and furthermore for placing this property in that zone.

It's not the attorney's job to determine whether there will be any traffic problems, his job is to uphold the law as it applies in Lakewood.
I was not arguing with that. It was the last line that I thought was ridiculously dishonest. A more accurate quote would be, "Yes, projects like these will likely destroy Lakewood's already disasters traffic patterns even more, but we have no option to block it because it is allowed usage according to our township's zoning map."

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #526 on: January 20, 2021, 02:54:17 PM »
Lakewood beware: Weinstein's Back >:(

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #527 on: January 20, 2021, 03:03:00 PM »
what is wrong with you

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #528 on: January 20, 2021, 03:14:58 PM »
Lakewood beware: Weinstein's Back >:(
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #529 on: January 20, 2021, 08:50:33 PM »
what is wrong with you
It wasn't me

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #530 on: January 20, 2021, 08:52:53 PM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #533 on: January 21, 2021, 09:35:45 PM »
Freaking hilarious!!

https://riseupoceancounty.com/f/destined-for-lakewood-flea-market-vizhnitz-revolt-in-israel
I would say it's hilarious if there weren't hundreds of people reading it who don't know it's shtusim mit lukshin...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #534 on: January 21, 2021, 09:45:35 PM »
I would say it's hilarious if there weren't hundreds of people reading it who don't know it's shtusim mit lukshin...

Did a litvak write it?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #535 on: January 31, 2021, 10:10:08 AM »
Remember the days when people had tact when writing news, and they didn't just write pointless things that would only inflame non-Jews in the area?

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/01/photo-is-manchester-township-the-new-alternative.html

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #536 on: January 31, 2021, 10:22:50 AM »
Remember the days when people had tact when writing news, and they didn't just write pointless things that would only inflame non-Jews in the area?

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/01/photo-is-manchester-township-the-new-alternative.html
How about seichel, forget about tact? Regular, good-old common sense?! Doesn't require any higher level thinking skills!

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #537 on: January 31, 2021, 10:27:20 AM »
How about seichel, forget about tact? Regular, good-old common sense?! Doesn't require any higher level thinking skills!
I call it tact because I think that such a piece could be posted if it was reframed, with different connotations. There's no need to imply that Manchester will be the next Lakewood.

How about, "Frum families seeking to get out of the hubbub of Lakewood find Manchester to be an optimal destination," or something to that effect. That takes away the sting.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #538 on: January 31, 2021, 10:31:12 AM »
Remember the days when people had tact when writing news, and they didn't just write pointless things that would only inflame non-Jews in the area?

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/01/photo-is-manchester-township-the-new-alternative.html
How about seichel, forget about tact? Regular, good-old common sense?! Doesn't require any higher level thinking skills!
THere is no such thing as collective tact or seichel. Why should we expect it from a person or website that has shown time and again that they have neither?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #539 on: January 31, 2021, 10:35:34 AM »
THere is no such thing as collective tact or seichel. Why should we expect it from a person or website that has shown time and again that they have neither?
I'm no fan of TLS [for reasons I've posted on DDF], but I happen to think that they usually are better than some of the other sites in this regard. Which is why I was surprised by this post.