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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #780 on: April 29, 2021, 10:48:21 AM »
One can never cease to be amazed at the power of the ס"מ.

This comes to mind.
Worth explaining it's נפש הבהמית for the uninitiated.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #781 on: April 29, 2021, 10:50:44 AM »


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #782 on: April 29, 2021, 10:53:54 AM »
Over/under on how many days it takes for @CountValentine to appropriate this picture? I say tomorrow is Friday.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #783 on: April 29, 2021, 10:55:25 AM »
Worth explaining it's נפש הבהמית for the uninitiated.

That elementary (emphasis added):

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אך ביאור הענין על פי מ"ש הרח"ו ז"ל בשער הקדושה [ובע"ח שער נ' פ"ב] דלכל איש ישראל אחד צדיק ואחד רשע יש שתי נשמות דכתיב ונשמות אני עשיתי שהן שתי נפשות נפש אחת מצד הקליפה וסטרא אחרא והיא המתלבשת בדם האדם להחיות הגוף וכדכתיב כי נפש הבשר בדם היא וממנה באות כל המדות רעות מארבע יסודות רעים שבה דהיינו כעס וגאוה מיסוד האש שנגבה למעלה. ותאות התענוגים מיסוד המים כי המים מצמיחים כל מיני תענוג. והוללות וליצנות והתפארות ודברים בטלים מיסוד הרוח. ועצלות ועצבות מיסוד העפר. וגם מדות טובות שבטבע כל ישראל בתולדותם כמו רחמנות וג"ח באות ממנה כי בישראל נפש זו דקליפה היא מקליפ' נוגה שיש בה ג"כ טוב והיא מסוד עץ הדעת טוב ורע:
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #784 on: April 29, 2021, 11:06:22 AM »
Could it be that these robocalls are being sent out by the dissenters and they realize that by asaring it everyone will go so they instead seek to make it seem like a Chabad Moshiach event and they hope that would be a more effective deterrent?
And to think that when I posted this I meant it as satire...

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I thought you were serious. It seemed plausible enough.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #786 on: April 29, 2021, 11:57:46 AM »


שאלת תם:

Now that it seems like the event is in the parking lot and not in the stadium, what is the reason being given for urging people not to attend?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #787 on: April 29, 2021, 12:45:40 PM »
שאלת תם:

Now that it seems like the event is in the parking lot and not in the stadium, what is the reason being given for urging people not to attend?

Once the event became accidentally controversial, even thought it's really kosher it's pas nisht to go
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #788 on: April 29, 2021, 02:14:31 PM »
שאלת תם:

Now that it seems like the event is in the parking lot and not in the stadium, what is the reason being given for urging people not to attend?

There has never been a concert in Lakewood. And by a concert, I mean an event where the main attraction is sitting and watching a singer perform. I don't expect anyone who didn't grow up in this environment to understand where they are coming from and it would be a waste of time to try and explain it. The stadium was only one concern mentioned in the letter.

 

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #789 on: April 29, 2021, 02:29:24 PM »
There has never been a concert in Lakewood. And by a concert, I mean an event where the main attraction is sitting and watching a singer perform. I don't expect anyone who didn't grow up in this environment to understand where they are coming from and it would be a waste of time to try and explain it. The stadium was only one concern mentioned in the letter.
I am not an outsider, and I understand. The question is just why this is the hill to die on,  with all that goes on in lakewood nowadays. (I don't mean to criticize, disagree, or anything else, as I have the greatest respect for the R"Y and their decision. Just wondering if there's any point anymore in fighting these types of things anymore)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #790 on: April 29, 2021, 02:44:30 PM »
I am not an outsider, and I understand. The question is just why this is the hill to die on,  with all that goes on in lakewood nowadays. (I don't mean to criticize, disagree, or anything else, as I have the greatest respect for the R"Y and their decision. Just wondering if there's any point anymore in fighting these types of things anymore)

"All that goes in Lakewood nowadays" is not targeted to children and is not wrapped in the veneer of a heilige ma'amid.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #791 on: April 29, 2021, 02:45:08 PM »
"All that goes in Lakewood nowadays" is not targeted to children and is not wrapped in the veneer of a heilige ma'amid.
Fair enough

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #792 on: April 29, 2021, 02:45:58 PM »
I am not an outsider, and I understand. The question is just why this is the hill to die on,  with all that goes on in lakewood nowadays. (I don't mean to criticize, disagree, or anything else, as I have the greatest respect for the R"Y and their decision. Just wondering if there's any point anymore in fighting these types of things anymore)
That seems to be the shaila here, and it seems to be that we know their psak
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #793 on: April 29, 2021, 02:47:37 PM »
That seems to be the shaila here, and it seems to be that we know their psak

You're right, I meant what's the point.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #794 on: April 29, 2021, 02:53:27 PM »
Additionally, maybe they're trying the broken window theory. Williamsburg for instance keeps a tough embargo on a lot of minor stuff to avoid larger breaches.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #795 on: April 29, 2021, 02:55:11 PM »
"All that goes in Lakewood nowadays" is not targeted to children and is not wrapped in the veneer of a heilige ma'amid.
Is this implicitly stating that weddings aren't a heilege maamid?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #796 on: April 29, 2021, 03:01:52 PM »
Is this implicitly stating that weddings aren't a heilege maamid?

No. Wedding were implicitly excluded from my earlier definition of a concert.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #797 on: April 29, 2021, 03:05:03 PM »
No. Wedding were implicitly excluded from my earlier definition of a concert.

Even the ones with a full blown symphony and the biggest names in Jewish music?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #798 on: April 29, 2021, 03:06:34 PM »
Of you look at the halachos. For a seudas mitzva it’s allowed

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #799 on: April 29, 2021, 03:06:53 PM »
Should the L"B event discussion be split into its own thread?
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