Author Topic: The Future of Lakewood  (Read 582681 times)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #860 on: May 07, 2021, 01:52:52 PM »
This is not Meah Shearim. We don't do gangs here.
True but I won't cry over it
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #861 on: May 07, 2021, 01:54:24 PM »
This is not Meah Shearim. We don't do gangs here.
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To sic a group of youngsters is just wrong. Regardless of who the person is. Listen to the chutzpah emanating from the kids, they're brazen because they've been deputized. What are we teaching them? 

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #862 on: May 07, 2021, 01:59:04 PM »
True but I won't cry over it
Oh, I definitely do. This sort of behavior is antithetical to Yidishkeit and may Hashem have mercy on us if this is the Dor we raise. We have already seen the repercussions of this behavior in EY.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #863 on: May 07, 2021, 02:01:34 PM »
Oh, I definitely do. This sort of behavior is antithetical to Yidishkeit and may Hashem have mercy on us if this is the Dor we raise. We have already seen the repercussions of this behavior in EY.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #864 on: May 07, 2021, 02:45:52 PM »
Another Get refuser protest or another חטא?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #865 on: May 07, 2021, 02:51:41 PM »
Another Get refuser protest or another חטא?
Neither. Just someone who posts against the rampant corruption here so some developers are trying to silence him. Apparently, there has been some boys sent to bother him and there hasn't been a word heard from their RY to stop them (AFAIN).

http://firstamendmentactivist.blogspot.com/

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #866 on: May 07, 2021, 03:45:54 PM »
Neither. Just someone who posts against the rampant corruption here so some developers are trying to silence him. Apparently, there has been some boys sent to bother him and there hasn't been a word heard from their RY to stop them (AFAIN).

http://firstamendmentactivist.blogspot.com/
And massers on literally hundreds of Lakewood residents and business owners, basements and playgroups, threatens multiple rabbanim and poskim, and feeds negative info about Jews to RUOC and other anti Semitic groups, even traveling to distant township meetings to besmirch frum Jews, but we won’t mention that part.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #867 on: May 07, 2021, 03:48:14 PM »
If the guy was a murderer, and I'm not exaggerating, that still wouldn't justify sending kids to harass him or anyone else.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #868 on: May 07, 2021, 04:05:00 PM »
Best part is it's right in the middle of Route 9, tremendous Chillul Hashem in the most public manner
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #869 on: May 07, 2021, 04:25:45 PM »
If the guy was a murderer, and I'm not exaggerating, that still wouldn't justify sending kids to harass him or anyone else.
Terrible chinuch, but if the community as a whole is going to allow things to continue instead of refusing to greet him, refusing to allow him to join a minyan etc etc, even if the lack of collective decisive action is out of fear, that is going to lead to a situation of איש הישר בעיניו יעשה which is not a good thing.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #870 on: May 07, 2021, 04:28:41 PM »
Terrible chinuch, but if the community as a whole is going to allow things to continue instead of refusing to greet him, refusing to allow him to join a minyan etc etc, even if the lack of collective decisive action is out of fear, that is going to lead to a situation of איש הישר בעיניו יעשה which is not a good thing.

There should be no "but" here. You're compounding the community's inability (or lack of desire) to deal with an issue by screwing up the kids. Absolutely mind boggling.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #871 on: May 07, 2021, 04:31:00 PM »
Terrible chinuch, but if the community as a whole is going to allow things to continue instead of refusing to greet him, refusing to allow him to join a minyan etc etc, even if the lack of collective decisive action is out of fear, that is going to lead to a situation of איש הישר בעיניו יעשה which is not a good thing.
The problem is that since there's a (whole lot more than a) kernel of truth in what he says/does, publicly "excommunicating" him will implicitly be condoning the actions of the others which he is combating.

The issues that he is vocal against are much, much bigger than what he did/does (I'm not condoning his behavior at all).

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #872 on: May 07, 2021, 05:00:26 PM »
There should be no "but" here. You're compounding the community's inability (or lack of desire) to deal with an issue by screwing up the kids. Absolutely mind boggling.
I commenting on the inevitable result. The situation is begging for trouble. If not bored kids it will be young hotheads. Doesn’t make it right.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #873 on: May 07, 2021, 05:02:33 PM »
The problem is that since there's a (whole lot more than a) kernel of truth in what he says/does, publicly "excommunicating" him will implicitly be condoning the actions of the others which he is combating.

The issues that he is vocal against are much, much bigger than what he did/does (I'm not condoning his behavior at all).
He lives for this. He was sent to Lakewood after they had enough of him in Brooklyn. Unfortunately there are issues in just about every community that can be exploited if one is interested in a career of mesira.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #874 on: May 07, 2021, 05:15:22 PM »
This is on the parents of these specific kids. Not Roshei Yeshiva, not Rabbonim, not Menahalim and certainly not the community as a whole. For parents to have no idea where there 10-13 year old kids are and what they're doing is a dereliction of their most important duty. Bringing I to the discussion questions about what his specific person did and what he deserves is totally missing the point in my humble opinion

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #875 on: May 07, 2021, 06:12:33 PM »
Terrible chinuch, but if the community as a whole is going to allow things to continue instead of refusing to greet him, refusing to allow him to join a minyan etc etc, even if the lack of collective decisive action is out of fear, that is going to lead to a situation of איש הישר בעיניו יעשה which is not a good thing.
this is false -
plenty of people greet him and are actually quite friendly with him
he is allowed in shul where he used to live
and not watching your kids in Lakewood is a chronic issue so i honestly am not even surprised nor would i be if most of these parents don't even know there kids are there
IMHO leave him alone the less attention he gets the better

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #876 on: May 07, 2021, 07:54:20 PM »
this is false -
plenty of people greet him and are actually quite friendly with him
he is allowed in shul where he used to live
and not watching your kids in Lakewood is a chronic issue so i honestly am not even surprised nor would i be if most of these parents don't even know there kids are there
IMHO leave him alone the less attention he gets the better
You misread.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #877 on: May 08, 2021, 11:18:51 PM »
You're allowed to do much worse to a moser. He's the textbook example of one.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #878 on: May 08, 2021, 11:22:23 PM »
You're allowed to do much worse to a moser. He's the textbook example of one.
Let's say. Don't mess up Lakewood kids and ingrain in them gangster tactics and lifestyles.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #879 on: May 08, 2021, 11:23:13 PM »
You're allowed to do much worse to a moser. He's the textbook example of one.
"textbook example" of a moser?

I'm not trying to defend him, but do you know of a specific case in which he called authorities and reported on someone? Yes, he posted damaging information in public, on his blog, and that MAY constitute mesirah, but I'm not certain that the label of "textbook moser" is an accurate depiction.

As an aside, the "textbook moser" may not even apply today, as it's clear from certain halachic works that the fear was that mesirah would lead to the government killing Jews, which is a long strech today. (I can cite sources if you are interested in the technicalities.)