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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2340 on: October 09, 2022, 12:22:19 AM »
Town is hopping tonight you would think people just realized Yom tov is Tom night
The Shuk by Blue Claws is packed!
Don't even try it.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2341 on: October 09, 2022, 12:26:21 AM »
Quote from: YitzyS
Quotes in a signature is annoying, as it comes across as an independent post.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2342 on: October 09, 2022, 12:34:23 AM »
DO?
Just left  :(. It's crazy how hot the the tent is - when I managed to squeeze out I almost froze!
Don't even try it.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2343 on: October 09, 2022, 02:31:39 PM »
Just left  :(. It's crazy how hot the the tent is - when I managed to squeeze out I almost froze!
Why didn't they make a bigger tent?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2344 on: October 11, 2022, 11:09:29 PM »
[tweet]1580029877582893056[/tweet]

What's this about?
Someone got a gun and was doing some domestic violence?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2345 on: October 11, 2022, 11:11:53 PM »
[tweet]1580029877582893056[/tweet]

What's this about?
Someone got a gun and was doing some domestic violence?

Any further details? I heard was there was a hostage situation but haven't seen any details posted.
Visibly Jewish

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2346 on: October 12, 2022, 01:13:42 AM »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2347 on: October 22, 2022, 09:19:38 PM »
This was posted by a Democrat State Senator in NJ




He is still posting about Eisemann




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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2348 on: October 22, 2022, 11:11:16 PM »
He is still posting about Eisemann




This saga gets more mind boggling and overtly anti Semitic as it drags on... Nice to see that at least one state senator has picked up on it and is keeping it on his radar.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2349 on: October 22, 2022, 11:29:34 PM »
This saga gets more mind boggling and overtly anti Semitic as it drags on... Nice to see that at least one state senator has picked up on it and is keeping it on his radar.
BTW there was a robocall tonight with an update, but it was a little complex, so I'll attempt to explain it simply.

Judge Joseph Paone ruled that the prosecutors violated the Brady act by not sharing critical evidence with the defense before trial. What was that evidence? It was a single page from a Quickbooks report that the state created a year prior to trial, and it showed that the entry they said was criminal was made by a bookkeeper. The page was numbered page 247. (The bookkeeper was named on that page, while during trial they kept implying to the jury that it must have been Rabbi Eisemann who made the entry.) The prosecutors released this for a side reason long after the trial, and the defense jumped on this as proof that they knew all along that it was not Rabbi Eisemann.

When Judge Paone ruled for a new trial, he said that there was no evidence presented that the prosecutors DELIBERATELY hid evidence, but even doing it by mistake warranted a new trial. Had they done so on purpose, the law mandates that the entire indictment gets dismissed, and they would have no right to bring him to trial again.

As soon as the decision was released, Eisemann's lawyers wrote a letter to the prosecutors demanding that they hand over a lot of additional info on the case, which they were entitled to before the trial but never got. Included in that request was the first 246 of the above mentioned report, as well as any subsequent pages. In the days after, the prosecution ran in circles, doing everything possible to not release the info. They first said that they already turned over everything (a blatant falsehood) but they would look again in case they find anything else. They then filed an appeal and asked the judge to put a stay on discovery requests until after the appeal played out. Judge Paone flat out denied their request, saying that they already wasted enough time. The prosecution then said that it would take too long to redact all the notes in the 247+ page report. The defense asserted that they are entitled to see those notes, but even if the prosecution handed over a redacted copy, how long does it take to white out some notes? The defense filed a motion to compel that report, but before it was ruled on, the appeals court accepted the case, taking it out of the jurisdiction of Judge Paone.

The motion filed now is to the appeals court, and it ask them "to remand the matter back to the trial court for the limited purpose of determining whether the complete [247+ page] document should be produced to the defense and, if produced, whether the indictment should be dismissed based on a willful violation of Brady."

This last line is important. Basically, the Eisemann defense is openly accusing the prosecutors of willfully hiding evidence, which would get the whole case dismissed. The fact that the prosecution is trying so hard to not have to hand over the report indicates that there is something they are trying to hide - a potential for a second Brady violation down the line.

I hope this was clear.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2350 on: October 22, 2022, 11:37:59 PM »
I hope this was clear.
Very clear, thank you.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2351 on: October 23, 2022, 01:31:26 AM »


R' Eisenman's team doesn't have that report? Wouldn't it have come from him in the first place?

Why didn't they point out it was the bookkeeper to begin with?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2352 on: October 23, 2022, 02:57:50 AM »
R' Eisenman's team doesn't have that report? Wouldn't it have come from him in the first place?

Why didn't they point out it was the bookkeeper to begin with?
The prosecution did not share which entry was the basis for the charge until after the trial began, despite being asked numerous times to clarify the information beforehand. (That is shocking, but true nevertheless.) Being that they found out only during trial which transactions were the basis for the alleged criminal activity, and they were defending him against four other counts also, and this count was dependent on the other four counts before the judge later changed the rules, they did not have the time to start researching this transaction in middle of trial, especially after they were led to believe by the prosecutors that the QuickBooks did not attribute this entry to anyone.

Judge Paone specifically went through this question and said that given all the factors, it would've been considered needing superhuman effort to have learned the identity of the bookkeeper in middle of trial without the prosecution sharing it, and thus is considered as having been undiscoverable to the defense during trial - even though it was technically discoverable had they looked.

Regarding your first question, the report was created by the prosecutors from the computers they raided at SCHI. So yes, the information was technically accessible to those at SCHI (Rabbi Eisemann himself was actually no longer legally employed by SCHI at the trial, and had no legal access to the info, though I'm sure they would've handed it over to him...), but the actual report was uniquely created by the prosecution based on the criteria they entered.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2353 on: October 23, 2022, 09:54:29 AM »
What a bizarre story. Thanks for the explanations

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2354 on: October 23, 2022, 10:11:45 AM »
What a bizarre story. Thanks for the explanations

I wouldn’t use the word bizarre. Understanding the context of the hate that has been going on in the Lakewood area in the past few years and that SCHI receives a very large amount of government aid (which they are 100% entitled to), it’s more of an age old hatred that has been happening to our people since the times of Eisev and Yaakov. In this particular instance, it’s evolved into a vendetta to put an innocent man in prison by all means necessary.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2355 on: October 23, 2022, 10:16:11 AM »
I wouldn’t use the word bizarre. Understanding the context of the hate that has been going on in the Lakewood area in the past few years and that SCHI receives a very large amount of government aid (which they are 100% entitled to), it’s more of an age old hatred that has been happening to our people since the times of Eisev and Yaakov. In this particular instance, it’s evolved into a vendetta to put an innocent man in prison by all means necessary.
Does anything happen to these prosecutors? Or they just "lose" the case and then go on with life?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2356 on: October 23, 2022, 11:05:56 AM »
The prosecution did not share which entry was the basis for the charge until after the trial began, despite being asked numerous times to clarify the information beforehand. (That is shocking, but true nevertheless.) Being that they found out only during trial which transactions were the basis for the alleged criminal activity, and they were defending him against four other counts also, and this count was dependent on the other four counts before the judge later changed the rules, they did not have the time to start researching this transaction in middle of trial, especially after they were led to believe by the prosecutors that the QuickBooks did not attribute this entry to anyone.

Judge Paone specifically went through this question and said that given all the factors, it would've been considered needing superhuman effort to have learned the identity of the bookkeeper in middle of trial without the prosecution sharing it, and thus is considered as having been undiscoverable to the defense during trial - even though it was technically discoverable had they looked.

Regarding your first question, the report was created by the prosecutors from the computers they raided at SCHI. So yes, the information was technically accessible to those at SCHI (Rabbi Eisemann himself was actually no longer legally employed by SCHI at the trial, and had no legal access to the info, though I'm sure they would've handed it over to him...), but the actual report was uniquely created by the prosecution based on the criteria they entered.
Knowing Quickbooks, that was my instant reaction when the trial brought up the entry. Just run a report showing which user posted it - the chances that the president of any company is posting Jourrnal Entries to Quickbooks is slim to none and the report would prove that. When the defense didn't do that, I assumed that the entry was made by a genericly names QB login and that's why they didn't refute with an audit report.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2357 on: October 23, 2022, 11:40:39 AM »
I wouldn’t use the word bizarre. Understanding the context of the hate that has been going on in the Lakewood area in the past few years and that SCHI receives a very large amount of government aid (which they are 100% entitled to), it’s more of an age old hatred that has been happening to our people since the times of Eisev and Yaakov. In this particular instance, it’s evolved into a vendetta to put an innocent man in prison by all means necessary.

Oh, I don't doubt the antisemitism involved. I wasn't precluding that at all.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2358 on: October 23, 2022, 11:48:19 AM »


The prosecution did not share which entry was the basis for the charge until after the trial began, despite being asked numerous times to clarify the information beforehand. (That is shocking, but true nevertheless.) Being that they found out only during trial which transactions were the basis for the alleged criminal activity,
This seems very strange. This sounds like it would have been grounds for a show cause order during discovery and even a motion to dismiss. Were motions to compel filled about this during discovery?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2359 on: October 23, 2022, 04:09:01 PM »
R' Eisenman's team doesn't have that report? Wouldn't it have come from him in the first place?

Why didn't they point out it was the bookkeeper to begin with?
The prosecution did not share which entry was the basis for the charge until after the trial began, despite being asked numerous times to clarify the information beforehand. (That is shocking, but true nevertheless.) Being that they found out only during trial which transactions were the basis for the alleged criminal activity, and they were defending him against four other counts also, and this count was dependent on the other four counts before the judge later changed the rules, they did not have the time to start researching this transaction in middle of trial, especially after they were led to believe by the prosecutors that the QuickBooks did not attribute this entry to anyone.

Judge Paone specifically went through this question and said that given all the factors, it would've been considered needing superhuman effort to have learned the identity of the bookkeeper in middle of trial without the prosecution sharing it, and thus is considered as having been undiscoverable to the defense during trial - even though it was technically discoverable had they looked.

Regarding your first question, the report was created by the prosecutors from the computers they raided at SCHI. So yes, the information was technically accessible to those at SCHI (Rabbi Eisemann himself was actually no longer legally employed by SCHI at the trial, and had no legal access to the info, though I'm sure they would've handed it over to him...), but the actual report was uniquely created by the prosecution based on the criteria they entered.
Here is a section of Judge Paone's decision granting a new trial in which he addresses this point. I redacted only the name of the bookkeeper, who is a member of the community and does not want publicity.