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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2860 on: May 14, 2023, 09:41:04 PM »

Feelings versus Halacha?


Great idea for a thread, btw.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2861 on: May 14, 2023, 10:21:33 PM »
Feelings versus Halacha?


Great idea for a thread, btw.
no need for a new thread - it's basically every DDF thread ;)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2862 on: May 14, 2023, 10:51:06 PM »
Feelings versus Halacha?


Great idea for a thread, btw.
Which one are you calling what?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2863 on: May 15, 2023, 09:02:37 AM »
Which one are you calling what?
I knew that was coming. :)

This letter doesn't mention any Halacha. They only make their point about feelings.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2864 on: May 15, 2023, 09:12:31 AM »
I knew that was coming. :)

This letter doesn't mention any Halacha. They only make their point about feelings.
They aren't specific but do keep bringing  up the major kulas needed
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2865 on: May 15, 2023, 09:25:58 AM »
They aren't specific but do keep bringing  up the major kulas needed
You mean Major Chumras d'asi lidei Kula and Michshol? ;)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2866 on: May 15, 2023, 09:33:26 AM »
There is an eiruv including the 9?
People use it?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2867 on: May 15, 2023, 09:41:33 AM »
There is an eiruv including the 9?
People use it?
There isn't (yet), as far as I know.


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2868 on: May 15, 2023, 10:01:17 AM »
You mean Major Chumras d'asi lidei Kula and Michshol? ;)
We know that they took one side of the argument. Considering that this was R Aharon's opinion and even the Sons of Israel eruv kept to it there is a strong argument to call it minhag hamakom.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2869 on: May 15, 2023, 10:05:37 AM »
We know that they took one side of the argument. Considering that this was R Aharon's opinion and even the Sons of Israel eruv kept to it there is a strong argument to call it minhag hamakom.
That argument would need much more salt and pepper to be able to outweigh the halachic (and hashkafic, but that doesn't have to be on the scale here) considerations on the other side.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2870 on: May 15, 2023, 10:16:11 AM »
That argument would need much more salt and pepper to be able to outweigh the halachic (and hashkafic, but that doesn't have to be on the scale here) considerations on the other side.
This is an old difference between litvishe and ingreshe poskim.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2871 on: May 15, 2023, 10:29:42 AM »
This is an old difference between litvishe and ingreshe poskim.
Poskim? Did R'Moshe give weight to the minhag hamakom theory?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2872 on: May 15, 2023, 06:56:41 PM »
You mean Major Chumras d'asi lidei Kula and Michshol? ;)
hard to call not making an eruv a michshol...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2873 on: May 15, 2023, 07:03:54 PM »
hard to call not making an eruv a michshol...

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It is very common in Lakewood that people walk past the limits of an eruv without realizing it. They assume that it is all one contiguous eruv where it really is not. This likely happens tens of times on any given shabbos in various parts of Lakewood. I saw it on my block right when I moved in before our eruv was complete.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2874 on: May 15, 2023, 07:30:11 PM »
hard to call not making an eruv a michshol...
Hard to argue with Rishonim who say it is and one of the core responsibilities of the Rav of the locale to implement as soon as possible.

That's not even referring to the issue that Aygart mentioned of having a half-baked eiruv.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2875 on: May 15, 2023, 07:50:35 PM »
Poskim? Did R'Moshe give weight to the minhag hamakom theory?
I don't recall a comparable case where he said one way or the other
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2876 on: May 15, 2023, 07:59:09 PM »
I don't recall a comparable case where he said one way or the other
That's what I thought.

I understand what R'Ahron'a talmidim are saying, but I think they are not looking at the whole picture.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2877 on: May 15, 2023, 08:12:11 PM »
Hard to argue with Rishonim who say it is and one of the core responsibilities of the Rav of the locale to implement as soon as possible.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2878 on: May 15, 2023, 08:15:49 PM »
That's what I thought.

I understand what R'Ahron'a talmidim are saying, but I think they are not looking at the whole picture.
I fully understand that there is another side.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #2879 on: May 15, 2023, 08:25:45 PM »
Poskim? Did R'Moshe give weight to the minhag hamakom theory?