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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3240 on: July 19, 2023, 09:16:04 PM »
B"H the article doesn't focus too much on Lakewood. I was expecting much worse

You were expecting worse because we're used to bad press. In reality, extending this story to all of Lakewood is as bizarre as extending the Rex Heuermann story to all of Long Island.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3241 on: July 19, 2023, 09:37:19 PM »
A few ppl keep saying that his sefer had an agenda bec of his sisters get being withheld.
but honestly it has nothing to do with that, even though ppl call that an עגונה thats not what הל עגונות is about.

I know nothing about the Sefer, and nothing about the story, but some of the halachos that might be used to be matir an aguna might apply to some situations of a get being withheld.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3242 on: July 19, 2023, 09:43:40 PM »
This is something Iíve been wondering about. What in the world would סימן י״ז have to do with getting his sister a Get?
@avromie7
It is eyebrow raising that the Sefer was published one year into his sisters saga.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3243 on: July 19, 2023, 09:53:54 PM »
This is something Iíve been wondering about. What in the world would סימן י״ז have to do with getting his sister a Get?
@avromie7
I never opened that "sefer", but the irony of someone involved and not worrying about halachah writing a "sefer" on the topic is more than just eyebrow raising.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3244 on: July 19, 2023, 10:18:11 PM »
but some of the halachos that might be used to be matir an aguna might apply to some situations of a get being withheld.
Such as?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3245 on: July 19, 2023, 10:19:19 PM »
It is eyebrow raising that the Sefer was published one year into his sisters saga.
Not disagreeing, I imagine itís related just trying to understand how.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3246 on: July 19, 2023, 10:47:58 PM »
I never opened that "sefer", but the irony of someone involved and not worrying about halachah writing a "sefer" on the topic is more than just eyebrow raising.
Why is it a 'sefer' and not a sefer?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3247 on: July 19, 2023, 11:03:42 PM »
Why is it a 'sefer' and not a sefer?
Because it was concocted to serve an agenda without regard for actual halacha by someone who apparently doesn't care about halacha
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3248 on: July 19, 2023, 11:08:44 PM »
Because it was concocted to serve an agenda without regard for actual halacha by someone who apparently doesn't care about halacha
This is reminding me of the CW books...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3249 on: July 19, 2023, 11:10:02 PM »
This is reminding me of the CW books...
There at least the books were good...
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3250 on: July 19, 2023, 11:12:52 PM »
Quote from: YitzyS
Quotes in a signature is annoying, as it comes across as an independent post.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3251 on: July 19, 2023, 11:13:35 PM »
at least the books were good...
You literaly just said
I never opened that "sefer
So for all you know it's very good too ;)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3252 on: July 19, 2023, 11:15:58 PM »

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3253 on: July 19, 2023, 11:17:20 PM »
I never opened that "sefer", but the irony of someone involved and not worrying about halachah writing a "sefer" on the topic is more than just eyebrow raising.
It isnít the only irony.

Interestingly, in the הקדמה to his ספר which he wrote over a decade ago, he quotes the chazal במקום שבעלי תשובה עומדים אין צדיקים גמורים יכולים לעמוד as a מליצה, but perhaps those words will prove to be relevant for him in the literal sense as he takes stock of the path he has gone down and where it has led him.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3254 on: July 19, 2023, 11:25:28 PM »
Interestingly, in the הקדמה to his ספר which he wrote over a decade ago, he quotes the chazal במקום שבעלי תשובה עומדים אין צדיקים גמורים יכולים לעמוד as a מליצה, but perhaps those words will prove to be relevant for him in the literal sense as he takes stock of the path he has gone down and where it has led him.

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ואכן על משקל מאמרם ז"ל ברכות לד מקום שבעלי תשובה עומדין צדיקים גמורים אינם עומדין ידועה מליצת האחרונים בענין הלכות עגונות שלא יתכן אף לת"ח גדולים צדיקים גמורים לרדת לסוף דבריהם של ספרי השו"ת בעלי תשובה הדנים בעומקן של הלכות סבוכות אלו מבלי להקדים ולהתמצא היטב בסוגיות הגט ושיטות הראשונים ומילתא בטעמא על אתר ואשר על כן בעינא למודעי שחלילה למאן דהוא לסמוך על שום נקודה בספר הזה להלכה ולמעשה כי כאמור עיקר ההלכה הפסוקה מיוסדת על בסיס הידיעה האיתנה וההבנה הנכונה בנבכי הסוגיות האמורות ורק על יסוד איתן זה יתכן להעמיק חקר בדברי גדולי הפוסקים ולרדת לסוף כוונתם על מנת להסיק מסקנות להלכה ובפרט למעשה בבירור הדיעות וביותר כדי לצרפן בכוחא דהיתרא כידוע

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3255 on: July 19, 2023, 11:41:31 PM »
Sounds like someone who was פורק מעליו עול מלכות שמים to me.

Scary that someone who possesses the כשרון and delved deep into the intricacies of Torah to put out the work that he did, on one of the most difficult Halachik topics (agenda or no agenda), can fall so low.
It was always an intellectual challenge for him..... In yeshivah he was also very much a dual personality.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3256 on: July 19, 2023, 11:57:38 PM »
It was always an intellectual challenge for him..... In yeshivah he was also very much a dual personality.
the only question is which personality is the real one
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3257 on: July 20, 2023, 12:00:17 AM »
the only question is which personality is the real one
He used the wrong terminology, he doesn't have a "dual personality". It was more that he had competing interests.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3258 on: July 20, 2023, 12:02:36 AM »
He used the wrong terminology, he doesn't have a "dual personality". It was more that he had competing interests.
Wow, like a yetzer tov and a yetzer hora?
When did it start? When he turned 13?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3259 on: July 20, 2023, 12:05:26 AM »
Wow, like a yetzer tov and a yetzer hora?
When did it start? When he turned 13?
Na he took it to an extreme. His MO remained the same - top guy in learning, hanging out with non Jewish girls; since his teenage years. I thought he settled down after marriage, so I was shocked when this story came out - but was not at all surprised.