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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3340 on: July 20, 2023, 07:36:33 PM »
There are lessons to be learned here imo. When somebody so brilliant in Torah learning can still fall so low, it should teach us about the importance of proper yirah with Torah.
We have many examples throughout our history, דואג, אחיתופל , תורתו של ירבעם לא היה בו שום דופי .
Acher according to poshut peshat was busy murdering cheder boys as he taught Rav Meir Torah. It is jarring when we encounter a contemporary example.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3341 on: July 20, 2023, 07:39:46 PM »
Give me a break. If ur learning that from this forum, the lesson may be to get off the internet.
Sorry not getting this. If Iím learning what from these forums?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3342 on: July 20, 2023, 07:48:50 PM »
There are lessons to be learned here imo. When somebody so brilliant in Torah learning can still fall so low, it should teach us about the importance of proper yirah with Torah.
Welcome to Chassidus. :)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3343 on: July 20, 2023, 07:52:53 PM »
Don't try to justify it with the most cruma svaras.
Seems that you do not think there is what to take away from this tragedy. Itís good that youíre on these forums so you can learn them.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3344 on: July 20, 2023, 07:53:55 PM »
Welcome to Chassidus. :)
Lol I knew this would come. This predates chassidus Iím afraid. They donít get to claim exclusive rights.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3345 on: July 20, 2023, 07:57:18 PM »
This guy most likely started with small stuff never imagined it would get to this. There is definietly a take away lesson from this.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3346 on: July 20, 2023, 08:00:25 PM »
Welcome to Chassidus. :)
Welcome to yiddishkeit.
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רב הונא ורב חסדא הוו יתבי, חליף ואזיל גניבא עלייהו, אמר חד לחבריה: ניקום מקמיה, דבר אוריין הוא, א"ל אידך: מקמי פלגאה ניקום?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3347 on: July 20, 2023, 08:19:36 PM »
Victimless until one of them is wearing a wire entrapping othersÖ.
I actually had that thought. Is that a theory going around? Any reason to believe it? Pure speculation?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3348 on: July 20, 2023, 08:21:37 PM »
Lol I knew this would come. This predates chassidus Iím afraid. They donít get to claim exclusive rights.
Definitely not exclusive, but the whole premise of Chassidus is the yireh that comes along with doing everything lshem shamayim.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3349 on: July 20, 2023, 08:22:15 PM »
The guy was wearing a cross and identifying as Catholic for heaven sake!

As far as the cross, see  רמ"א יו"ד קמ"א that צלמים that are worn for jewelry are not אסור בהנאה. Not that that makes it ok to wear...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3350 on: July 20, 2023, 08:23:04 PM »
Welcome to yiddishkeit.
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רב הונא ורב חסדא הוו יתבי, חליף ואזיל גניבא עלייהו, אמר חד לחבריה: ניקום מקמיה, דבר אוריין הוא, א"ל אידך: מקמי פלגאה ניקום?
That was what the Chassidim said. The misnagdim seemed to think they invented a new religion. Anyways, wrong thread, besides that Chassidus is the future of Lakewood.  :P

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3351 on: July 20, 2023, 08:24:21 PM »


besides that Chassidus is the present of Lakewood. 
Ftfy
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3352 on: July 20, 2023, 08:39:38 PM »
As far as the cross, see  רמ"א יו"ד קמ"א that צלמים that are worn for jewelry are not אסור בהנאה. Not that that makes it ok to wear...
There are even poskim that allow wearing it in certain instances.

My point was the identifying as Catholic, which the cross would play a role in, irrespective of its idolatrous status.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3353 on: July 20, 2023, 08:51:11 PM »
Indeed, but he was married until recently. And his son will always be his son.
I'm not saying that it's not normal or allowed. I'm saying that it can have negative implications for victims.

Imagine his son, now 12-years-old, and being at least somewhat in the dark about what went on. He gets a little older and comes across the Daily Beast article or is told by others about his biological father's antics. He's shocked and embarrassed, but he can save face by convincing himself that none of his friends read it and that the frum community doesn't know of his father's actions. But when a quick Google search brings up DDF and he sees that everyone in the frum community hashed out every aspect of his father's infidelity, he may forever walk around with a stigma on him.

Not saying I would've thought to consider this if it would've been a random stranger. Perhaps it is a fault in me. But since I know them, and I know how upstanding and innocent they are, this consideration bothers me.

what makes you think the whole frum community is on DDF ? i mean there is a nice crowd but im sure 95% aint on here

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3354 on: July 20, 2023, 09:05:19 PM »
what makes you think the whole frum community is on DDF ? i mean there is a nice crowd but im sure 95% aint on here
They may not be logged on right now, but one needn't log on to read DDF.  The comments here can be seen any time in the future, as well. 

Just google free123cc and see what happens to comments that have been posted in past years.

ALSO:  If you feel that a comment doesn't belong, then don't QUOTE it and insert it in another post! You're only increasing the chances someone will see it. It would be better to delete what you just wrote, rather than repeating it with a Dislike.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3355 on: July 20, 2023, 09:13:46 PM »
They say that this proves what the Shineve Rav (I think) said that every litvak has a tzeilem in hartz....

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3356 on: July 20, 2023, 09:27:43 PM »
They say that this proves what the Shineve Rav (I think) said that every litvak has a tzeilem in hartz....

/s

Ö זג מיר, מיט דעם יוזל אדער אן דעם יוזל

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3357 on: July 20, 2023, 09:31:50 PM »
That was pretty sharp if he means what I think he means  :)

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3358 on: July 20, 2023, 09:41:29 PM »
I couldn't care less about this guy other than feeling. Sorry for him his behavior described was not normal.

There are people defending him.. making his behavior not soo terrible... Telling us to have pity on his ex wife and kid

#1 those of you who hush these things up, simply serve as enablers

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This guy most likely started with small stuff never imagined it would get to this. There is definietly a take away lesson from

He should have been held accountable long ago.. in the name of his now ex wife, family, kid, community, hashem, the Torah

I'm just amazed at everyone finding justification in a Talmud chacham with semicha cv wearing a cross!!

Greater the man, greater the sin! Jeez...

I curse a lot, but never g-damnit.. can still feel my father's slap "I don't want you cursing.. but never say that word.. " which is

לֹא תִשָּׂא אֶת שֵׁם ה' אֱלֹקיךָ לַשָּׁוְא כִּי לֹא יְנַקֶּה ה' אֵת אֲשֶׁר יִשָּׂא אֶת שְׁמוֹ לַשָּׁוְא

I never look for justification of my behavior, but we need to hold people responsible.. either you are for hashem or Baal

I feel like this is exactly what you guys argued about the lesbian wedding and everyone insisted it was absolute yehareg v'al yaavor..

But now, a cross... Ok not to bad...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3359 on: July 20, 2023, 09:45:49 PM »
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