The Future of Lakewood

[Alexsei]

Curious if it works like this, VF leaks mini story through the daily beast so that more people come forward then they publish a beefier story a month later?

[S209]

Yeah, that's what i found amusing, here were a group of (seemingly) married men doing who knows what mid afternoon when their wives think theyre working, but always with kosher food (i'm sure with a great hechser as well ). Normally they would have a caterer bring in food and have a "buffet" station setup.

Ultra-Orthodox can mean a lot of things to a non-Jew. I guarantee you this is not a contingent of yungerleit from BMG.

[Euclid]

I want to know who's the high profile former Lakewood resident, Henry

[Euclid]

Nate Freeman is an art columnist and staff writer at Vanity Fair, and his True Colors dispatch is a must-read investigation into the contemporary art world,

Interesting that they created a new profile of AD as an artist. Wonder if it was intentional

[Alexsei]

Interesting that they created a new profile of AD as an artist. Wonder if it was intentional

.I understood it's a typical method to claim defamation

[cmey]

I know a restaurant proprietor (not kosher) who owns a few clubs, he was very familiar with kosher. When I inquired he told me at one of his clubs he has a large group of "ultra orthodox" that come in the afternoon (before they officially open) and essentially rent the place out. Girls and all... I was shocked, but apparently it does happen.

Do they hand out coverups when they do mincha-maariv?

[AsherO]

I bet everyone of them talks in shul.

How else would we know about this?

[AsherO]

Interesting that they created a new profile of AD as an artist. Wonder if it was intentional

This sounds like an attempt to bury the story by making searches of the name return links about the supposed artist.

[Euclid]

This sounds like an attempt to bury the story by making searches of the name return links about the supposed artist.

I get that. Was wondering if they picked art because they knew that the VF author is an art reporter. Some sort of SEO thing

[AsherO]

I get that. Was wondering if they picked art because they knew that the VF author is an art reporter. Some sort of SEO thing

Ah, interesting angle, I’m not proficient enough with SEO to say but if it works that way then it’s genius.

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Seo was one of my early expertise and they did a fantastic job. Honestly, I got the other results and was wondering if that was what somebody mentioned here about him being related to the famous person with the same name. I realize it was AMK not AMD lol But I thought that was a budget artist named AD.

Honestly, the story doesn't really dig into his personal life. It's not like the dig up his old friends and his old stuff. It's mostly about the last four or five years

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I'm curious what the response would be if this was a bunch of ultra orthodox women hanging out with male strippers..

Was shocking as it is. It's somehow seemed like sort of okay because it's just guys letting off steam

[avromie7]

I'm curious what the response would be if this was a bunch of ultra orthodox women hanging out with male strippers..

Was shocking as it is. It's somehow seemed like sort of okay because it's just guys letting off steam

Why are we going back to this idea that anyone thinks it's even remotely ok?

[chinagel]

Why are we going back to this idea that anyone thinks it's even remotely ok?

Bc it fits a narrative that some like...

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Why are we going back to this idea that anyone thinks it's even remotely ok?

I'm just being sarcastic you know ?

Actually I have been having this matchmaker text me.. she said are you kovea itim.. I said no . But You do know that they asked you two things when you come to heaven, were you kovea itim and we're you honest in your business dealings.

I suppose it's easy to prove to the matchmaker the first but I said, I do the second.

[dasmo801]

The thread went from a story about one strange individual to analyzing an absurd quote within the VF article from an unnamed source (the 1% line) then to an alleged remark by an unnamed club owner then to everyone is ok with this.

Why are we so quick to believe the worst about our brothers?

[chevron]

The thread went from a story about one strange individual to analyzing an absurd quote within the VF article from an unnamed source (the 1% line) then to an alleged remark by an unnamed club owner then to everyone is ok with this.

Why are we so quick to believe the worst about our brothers?

Well, my narcissist friend Roman used to say "religious Jews are hypocrites, I once saw a hasidic guy in a strip club"

Roman is Jewish, I met him in Israel 20 years ago.

Maybe we believe the stories because we have all seen it or heard of them ?

[AsherO]

that they asked you two things when you come to heaven, were you kovea itim and we're you honest in your business dealings.

One of my favorite Gemaras, Shabbos 31a. It’s six things and being honest in your business dealings is the first, kovea itim is second.

Not talking in Shul isn’t on the list BTW (though I guess it’s in the category of Yiras Shomayim that supersedes the six questions).

[Alexsei]

The thread went from a story about one strange individual to analyzing an absurd quote within the VF article from an unnamed source (the 1% line) then to an alleged remark by an unnamed club owner then to everyone is ok with this.

Why are we so quick to believe the worst about our brothers?

גזירה על לשון הרע שתתקבל על הלב

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Okay seriously, gossip aside. We should ask ourselves how we have come to this .

I think it's a weird duplicitous world where we have such luxury gashmius then such level of frumkeit .

Ultimately, you need yiras shamayim and a belief In God as @AsherO  just said . How can you hand Torah without yiras shamayim?

My father would tell me of the yidden who either by communism or the Holocaust stopped being frum, they'd learn gemara on Shabbat while smoking a cigar (Not sure if this was the actual story or a mashal) but anyways, that's the hellinism

With Torah lishmah, honestly all this hiddur in the expensive esrogim, ataras, shtreimelech etc .. (yes, we pick on the women for long sheitels but your massive $7000 shtreimel is the same hubris)

Ultimately, indeed talking in shul belies what it means to be a yid.

Fear of heaven, respect of the shul, the prayers etc beyond that, why build fancy shuls? Who is gaining from a fancy shul ?!? Not God if they talk... Just the people going there can puff their chest out and say "we built such a beautiful shul"