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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3540 on: August 30, 2023, 07:39:35 PM »
Curious if it works like this, VF leaks mini story through the daily beast so that more people come forward then they publish a beefier story a month later?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3541 on: August 30, 2023, 07:43:54 PM »
Yeah, that's what i found amusing, here were a group of (seemingly) married men doing who knows what mid afternoon when their wives think theyre working, but always with kosher food (i'm sure with a great hechser as well :) ). Normally they would have a caterer bring in food and have a "buffet" station setup.
Ultra-Orthodox can mean a lot of things to a non-Jew. I guarantee you this is not a contingent of yungerleit from BMG.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3542 on: August 30, 2023, 07:45:21 PM »
I want to know who's the high profile former Lakewood resident, Henry

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3543 on: August 30, 2023, 07:48:48 PM »
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Nate Freeman is an art columnist and staff writer at Vanity Fair, and his True Colors dispatch is a must-read investigation into the contemporary art world,
Interesting that they created a new profile of AD as an artist. Wonder if it was intentional

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3544 on: August 30, 2023, 07:53:17 PM »
Interesting that they created a new profile of AD as an artist. Wonder if it was intentional
.I understood it's a typical method to claim defamation
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3545 on: August 30, 2023, 08:40:55 PM »
I know a restaurant proprietor (not kosher) who owns a few clubs, he was very familiar with kosher. When I inquired he told me at one of his clubs he has a large group of "ultra orthodox" that come in the afternoon (before they officially open) and essentially rent the place out. Girls and all... I was shocked, but apparently it does happen.
Do they hand out coverups when they do mincha-maariv?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3546 on: August 30, 2023, 08:43:05 PM »
I bet everyone of them talks in shul.

How else would we know about this? :P
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3547 on: August 30, 2023, 08:45:11 PM »
Interesting that they created a new profile of AD as an artist. Wonder if it was intentional

This sounds like an attempt to bury the story by making searches of the name return links about the supposed artist.
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The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3548 on: August 30, 2023, 08:53:45 PM »
This sounds like an attempt to bury the story by making searches of the name return links about the supposed artist.
I get that. Was wondering if they picked art because they knew that the VF author is an art reporter. Some sort of SEO thing

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3549 on: August 30, 2023, 08:57:53 PM »
I get that. Was wondering if they picked art because they knew that the VF author is an art reporter. Some sort of SEO thing

Ah, interesting angle, Iím not proficient enough with SEO to say but if it works that way then itís genius.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3550 on: August 30, 2023, 09:03:18 PM »
Seo was one of my early expertise and they did a fantastic job. Honestly, I got the other results and was wondering if that was what somebody mentioned here about him being related to the famous person with the same name. I realize it was AMK not AMD lol But I thought that was a budget artist named AD.

Honestly, the story doesn't really dig into his personal life. It's not like the dig up his old friends and his old stuff. It's mostly about the last four or five years

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3551 on: August 30, 2023, 09:04:50 PM »
I'm curious what the response would be if this was a bunch of ultra orthodox women hanging out with male strippers..

Was shocking as it is. It's somehow seemed like sort of okay because it's just guys letting off steam

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3552 on: August 30, 2023, 09:35:03 PM »
I'm curious what the response would be if this was a bunch of ultra orthodox women hanging out with male strippers..

Was shocking as it is. It's somehow seemed like sort of okay because it's just guys letting off steam
Why are we going back to this idea that anyone thinks it's even remotely ok?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3553 on: August 30, 2023, 10:27:02 PM »
Why are we going back to this idea that anyone thinks it's even remotely ok?
Bc it fits a narrative that some like...

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3554 on: August 30, 2023, 10:32:39 PM »
Why are we going back to this idea that anyone thinks it's even remotely ok?

I'm just being sarcastic you know ?

Actually I have been having this matchmaker text me.. she said are you kovea itim.. I said no . But You do know that they asked you two things when you come to heaven, were you kovea itim and we're you honest in your business dealings.

I suppose it's easy to prove to the matchmaker the first but I said, I do the second.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3555 on: August 30, 2023, 10:37:38 PM »
The thread went from a story about one strange individual to analyzing an absurd quote within the VF article from an unnamed source (the 1% line) then to an alleged remark by an unnamed club owner then to everyone is ok with this.

Why are we so quick to believe the worst about our brothers?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3556 on: August 30, 2023, 10:55:08 PM »
The thread went from a story about one strange individual to analyzing an absurd quote within the VF article from an unnamed source (the 1% line) then to an alleged remark by an unnamed club owner then to everyone is ok with this.

Why are we so quick to believe the worst about our brothers?

Well, my narcissist friend Roman used to say "religious Jews are hypocrites, I once saw a hasidic guy in a strip club"

Roman is Jewish, I met him in Israel 20 years ago.

Maybe we believe the stories because we have all seen it or heard of them ?


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3557 on: August 30, 2023, 11:05:32 PM »
that they asked you two things when you come to heaven, were you kovea itim and we're you honest in your business dealings.

One of my favorite Gemaras, Shabbos 31a. Itís six things and being honest in your business dealings is the first, kovea itim is second.

Not talking in Shul isnít on the list BTW (though I guess itís in the category of Yiras Shomayim that supersedes the six questions).
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3558 on: August 30, 2023, 11:08:10 PM »
The thread went from a story about one strange individual to analyzing an absurd quote within the VF article from an unnamed source (the 1% line) then to an alleged remark by an unnamed club owner then to everyone is ok with this.

Why are we so quick to believe the worst about our brothers?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3559 on: August 30, 2023, 11:54:02 PM »
Okay seriously, gossip aside. We should ask ourselves how we have come to this .

I think it's a weird duplicitous world where we have such luxury gashmius then such level of frumkeit .

Ultimately, you need yiras shamayim and a belief In God as @AsherO  just said . How can you hand Torah without yiras shamayim?

My father would tell me of the yidden who either by communism or the Holocaust stopped being frum, they'd learn gemara on Shabbat while smoking a cigar (Not sure if this was the actual story or a mashal) but anyways, that's the hellinism

With Torah lishmah, honestly all this hiddur in the expensive esrogim, ataras, shtreimelech etc .. (yes, we pick on the women for long sheitels but your massive $7000 shtreimel is the same hubris)

Ultimately, indeed talking in shul belies what it means to be a yid.

Fear of heaven, respect of the shul, the prayers etc beyond that, why build fancy shuls? Who is gaining from a fancy shul ?!? Not God if they talk... Just the people going there can puff their chest out and say "we built such a beautiful shul"