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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3700 on: October 20, 2023, 10:26:33 AM »
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3701 on: October 20, 2023, 12:42:32 PM »
Ironically noach was required to bring the genders required for reproduction. Quite the opposite of what the rainbow is now used for.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3702 on: October 20, 2023, 02:01:10 PM »
Name names and post receipts
Seems like the intuitive DDFers figured it out without me having to say it B'Rochel Bit'cha Haketanah

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3703 on: October 21, 2023, 08:12:28 PM »
I usually vote down republican, I like avi schnal,
running as a candidate he put me on a spot,
after seeing this about his alternative, avi gets my vote hands down

https://twitter.com/AsmNedThomson/status/1714991356794249587

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3704 on: October 21, 2023, 08:28:23 PM »
My personal take on this race:

I find it abhorrent that some of the frum media outlets I respect have come out so strongly against Avi Schnall. You may not agree with his idea to run, but bottom line is that he has the backing of the vast majority of Lakewood's rabbonim, as well as from the Moetzes (I verified this myself). If someone doesn't want to vote for him or they want to hock about it in the coffee room, I can understand. But two big media outlets, who generally echo the ideas of the Torah community, have actively taken a clear stance against him, and are publishing/posting every dumb "statement" from his opponent, who by the way, never said a word to the frum community until he was challenged.

Avi Schnall is a frum Yid trying to do something, with the backing of Gedolim. It boggles my mind how these news outlets are trying to undermine him.
There are some individuals who want their own connections and say and have a problem with anyone the establishment endorses. It wouldn’t matter if it was Moshe Rabbeinu. There would be reasons given why we should vote for his opponent. Sad.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3705 on: October 21, 2023, 08:33:39 PM »
There are some individuals who want their own connections and say and have a problem with anyone the establishment endorses. It wouldn’t matter if it was Moshe Rabbeinu. There would be reasons given why we should vote for his opponent. Sad.
Sad indeed.

Until now, candidates were endorsed by "the vaad". Schnall has the approval of the Moetzes. That is a whole different level. I think when the Moetzes backs someone, it's a tremendous chutzpa when an individual uses their publication to directly oppose them.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3706 on: October 21, 2023, 08:52:37 PM »
Sad indeed.

Until now, candidates were endorsed by "the vaad". Schnall has the approval of the Moetzes. That is a whole different level. I think when the Moetzes backs someone, it's a tremendous chutzpa when an individual uses their publication to directly oppose them.
Just another sign of Mashiach.....
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3707 on: October 21, 2023, 08:53:27 PM »
Sad indeed.

Until now, candidates were endorsed by "the vaad". Schnall has the approval of the Moetzes. That is a whole different level. I think when the Moetzes backs someone, it's a tremendous chutzpa when an individual uses their publication to directly oppose them.
Vaad=BMG
Moetzes=Agudah.org
correct?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3708 on: October 21, 2023, 08:57:17 PM »
Vaad=BMG
Moetzes=Agudah.org
correct?
Or,
Vaad= Baalebatim, with rabbinic backing
Moetzes= Roshei Yeshiva

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3709 on: October 21, 2023, 08:57:25 PM »
The movement backing Avi is more than just the Vaad and the Moetzes.
It's backed by the Baal Habbatim who created the extremely successful Adirei Hatorah movement.

There's a real path to a major breakthrough in electing Avi

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3710 on: October 21, 2023, 08:58:18 PM »
Vaad=BMG
Moetzes=Agudah.org
correct?
No.

The Moetzes happen to organized by Agudah, but each of the members is Daas Torah in their own right. They don't get pushed around by Agudah askanim, and very much have their own backbone. Whereas the VAAD, often it's the askanim who pick the candidates and get the roshei yeshiva to sign a vague letter to back those that the askanim picked.

I know from reliable sources that the gedolim who sit on the Moetzes asked numerous questions about every aspect of Schnall's then-potential race, about the demographics, the risk of revenge, and all the other nitty gritty things, and then they gave their backing.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3711 on: October 21, 2023, 08:58:28 PM »
Vaad=BMG
Moetzes=Agudah.org
correct?
Rav Simcha Bunim insisted on signing. That must be BMG. 50 Lakewood Rabbonim. BMG. And when  Rav Chaim Kanievsky came out with something that equals grandchild. Rav  Shmuel Kaminetzky equals inner circle misinforming. The only one I can trust is good old me because I have no negius. And maybe the Pope because he doesn’t have grandkids.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3712 on: October 21, 2023, 10:00:29 PM »

It's backed by the Baal Habbatim who created the extremely successful Adirei Hatorah movement.



Now you are scaring me.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3713 on: October 21, 2023, 10:56:25 PM »
A few questions about the race.

Why is he running as a Democrat? Is it because that was because he didn't want to take on an incumbent in a primary or didn't think he would win?

Another question what has Ned Thompson done for our community till AS launched his campaign against him?

Also why the flip flop, first deciding not to run than jumping back in?

Also realistically speaking would getting the community's vote be enough to elect him? What percentage of the community's vote does he need (he isn't going to get 100%)?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3714 on: October 21, 2023, 10:59:59 PM »
I find it abhorrent that some of the frum media outlets I respect have come out so strongly against Avi Schnall. You may not agree with his idea to run, but bottom line is that he has the backing of the vast majority of Lakewood's rabbonim, as well as from the Moetzes (I verified this myself). If someone doesn't want to vote for him or they want to hock about it in the coffee room, I can understand. But two big media outlets, who generally echo the ideas of the Torah community, have actively taken a clear stance against him, and are publishing/posting every dumb "statement" from his opponent, who by the way, never said a word to the frum community until he was challenged.

The answer is that these outlets also have their agendas and don't care about you (even if they bill themselves as "A voice for the Tzibbur by the Tzibbur"). It just happens to be that their agenda is usually more aligned with your views than some of the other local frum media.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3715 on: October 21, 2023, 11:13:09 PM »
A few questions about the race.

Why is he running as a Democrat? Is it because that was because he didn't want to take on an incumbent in a primary or didn't think he would win?

Another question what has Ned Thompson done for our community till AS launched his campaign against him?

Also why the flip flop, first deciding not to run than jumping back in?

Also realistically speaking would getting the community's vote be enough to elect him? What percentage of the community's vote does he need (he isn't going to get 100%)?
I would assume hes running as a dem because in a dem controlled assembly, with a dem gov, that's how you can get things done. He's not running to sit on the sidelines. And the gop held 70% of the vote in the last election so looks like an uphill battle.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3716 on: October 21, 2023, 11:14:48 PM »
A few questions about the race.

1. Why is he running as a Democrat? Is it because that was because he didn't want to take on an incumbent in a primary or didn't think he would win?

2. Another question what has Ned Thompson done for our community till AS launched his campaign against him?

3. Also why the flip flop, first deciding not to run than jumping back in?

4. Also realistically speaking would getting the community's vote be enough to elect him? What percentage of the community's vote does he need (he isn't going to get 100%)?
1. Just like Felder and the Brooklyn people - you can only accomplish anything if you are part of the ruling majority.

2. AFAIK, nothing significant. I know he was one of the names on the "Hatzolah bill", but I don't think it was anything that any assemblyman wouldn't do if a large group of constituents come forward to request some legislation. (But I don't know a comprehensive answer to this question.)

3. I heard that he was not guaranteed a slot on the Dem ballot, which would've meant running in a primary. After he was handed the slot, he got back in. (Didn't confirm this, just heard on the street)

4. In the last Assembly election, the Republicans won with roughly 40,000 votes to the Democrats' roughly 14.5k. That is a surplus of about 25.5k. (I adjusted these numbers based on the new districts, since they were redistricted since last election.) In Lakewood, about 16.5k voters voted Republican. If you flip every one, that is a flip of 33k, much more than the 25.5k needed last time. Obviously, you are not flipping all, but if he flips most, plus a few other factors they are banking on (like getting more Dems to come out since they finally have a chance, and maximizing turnout in Lakewood through all sorts of ways), then he has a serious shot.

Obviously, past performance doesn't guarantee future results, but he definitely seems to have a shot.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3717 on: October 21, 2023, 11:18:21 PM »
I would assume hes running as a dem because in a dem controlled assembly, with a dem gov, that's how you can get things done. He's not running to sit on the sidelines. And the gop held 70% of the vote in the last election so looks like an uphill battle.
He will get a very large share of the community vote. Unlike when the vaad endorsed Democrats for governor, I expect him to get significantly more than 50%.

I often vote specifically against the Vaad, and I plan to vote for him.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3718 on: October 21, 2023, 11:24:22 PM »

4. In the last Assembly election, the Republicans won with roughly 40,000 votes to the Democrats' roughly 14.5k. That is a surplus of about 25.5k. (I adjusted these numbers based on the new districts, since they were redistricted since last election.) In Lakewood, about 16.5k voters voted Republican. If you flip every one, that is a flip of 33k, much more than the 25.5k needed last time. Obviously, you are not flipping all, but if he flips most, plus a few other factors they are banking on (like getting more Dems to come out since they finally have a chance, and maximizing turnout in Lakewood through all sorts of ways), then he has a serious shot.

Obviously, past performance doesn't guarantee future results, but he definitely seems to have a shot.
Howell also has a sizable frum population.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3719 on: October 22, 2023, 02:41:53 AM »
Avi has no chance.

It's still very important to support him.