The Future of Lakewood

[avromie7]

I've always been bothered by the vaad/RY endorsing candidates for local elections. Back when the frum community was a minority it made sense, but ate this point let the candidates speak to the voters to get their votes. You can be sure no one will get into office with an agenda that goes against the frum community. Instead all the political capital is wasted and lost to help the connected people abuse the system because their candidates will never be voted out of office.

[YitzyS]

I think this is the issue:

Years ago, many were not involved in politics, so they relied on the VAAD to meet the candidates and issue an endorsement. Today, many people are politically savvy, and they already have opinions about who to vote for. There still is a huge benefit to vote as a block, but people won't just swallow that without a good justification. The problem is that many of the reasons the VAAD would want to give are not things you can write publicly. So they just started losing their credibility.

I think they need to be much more upfront with their reasons, even if it means saying things that they would rather not say publicly. Without giving explicit reasons, they will continue to lose their influence more and more each year.

[MoYS]

The problem is that many of the reasons the VAAD would want to give are not things you can write publicly. So they just started losing their credibility.

I think they need to be much more upfront with their reasons, even if it means saying things that they would rather not say publicly. Without giving explicit reasons, they will continue to lose their influence more and more each year.

Do you have a guess what they might be? Why whould they not state something publicly if they are doing a good job?

[iwlw2]

It's funny you mention the fact its not by his design as a deterring factor. If you listen to the R Yitzchak Sorotzkin clip that is what they praise him for. Which IMO makes sense, that a frum candidate should run based on the urging of Gedolim, not that he wants to run and Rabbonim get dragged into it.

On the contrary I agree with you and do not think it is a deterring factor at all! My point was the opposite, I am actually turned off by how all the advertising is making it as if its Avi and Avi's plan etc., both because it's simply untrue and because it I would like them to stress that point that you mentioned. It's also ironic, because as much as he personally perhaps does not want to run, you can also be sure that the Moetzes did not come up with the idea either and just call him up one day. For better or for worse this whole thing is the efforts of a certain group and they are pulling all the strings.

[aygart]

To echo the above question though, did he provide any details or just say that is what "achdus" or listening to the gedolim requires? I read his separate letter and it was not much more than that.

Not what I am seeing in his letter. There is no mention at all of achdus. I do know that he met with AS together with some members of the kehilla for a while before he wrote this letter.

[iwlw2]

Not what I am seeing in his letter. There is no mention at all of achdus. I do know that he met with AS together with some members of the kehilla for a while before he wrote this letter.

Then I personally would have liked either he or other rabannim to give some actual rationale for why he is the candidate who can accomplish this monumental task other than other rabbonim also say that he is the one who can accomplish it.

[aygart]

Then I personally would have liked either he or other rabannim to give some actual rationale for why he is the candidate who can accomplish this monumental task other than other rabbonim also say that he is the one who can accomplish it.

Were you expecting a five page article? Then you would have said "there is no way R Zimbal actually wrote all that"

[MoYS]

On the contrary I agree with you and do not think it is a deterring factor at all! My point was the opposite, I am actually turned off by how all the advertising is making it as if its Avi and Avi's plan etc., both because it's simply untrue and because it I would like them to stress that point that you mentioned. It's also ironic, because as much as he personally perhaps does not want to run, you can also be sure that the Moetzes did not come up with the idea either and just call him up one day. For better or for worse this whole thing is the efforts of a certain group and they are pulling all the strings.

I apologize for misunderstanding

[WayBackMachine]

- Talmidim of Rav Elya Ber shlilta in Lakewood  stand by the statement he gave to them  about the election and the gabbai said last night that the phones were ringing off the hook  the R"Y is not in support of voting for  Avi Schnal or tuition relief




- Lakewood philanthropist and political activist Mr. Rich Roberts  on social media has said he will be voting for Ned Thompson and not for Avi Schnal. despite having meetings with 4 leaders of the community at their requests he said i'm just the dumb baal teshuva i still think we should be a light upon the nations almost all thos rabbonim who signed the paper do not know the issues but did so because of achdus he said I also stayed silent for achdus until today when banners for Avi were hung in the shul this isn't right and smacks of strong arm tactics

[jye]

- Talmidim of Rav Elya Ber shlilta in Lakewood  stand by the statement he gave to them  about the election and the gabbai said last night that the phones were ringing off the hook  the R"Y is not in support of voting for  Avi Schnal or tuition relief




- Lakewood philanthropist and political activist Mr. Rich Roberts  on social media has said he will be voting for Ned Thompson and not for Avi Schnal. despite having meetings with 4 leaders of the community at their requests he said i'm just the dumb baal teshuva i still think we should be a light upon the nations almost all thos rabbonim who signed the paper do not know the issues but did so because of achdus he said I also stayed silent for achdus until today when banners for Avi were hung in the shul this isn't right and smacks of strong arm tactics

Didn’t hear anyone quoting him earlier this week when he said by the asifa that the current matzah sakana is linked to internet and it shouldn’t be used even for parnassa or at the expense of monetary loss.

Now everyone is running to hearsay from his talmidim. I guess we hear what we want to hear.

[aygart]

Didn’t hear anyone quoting him earlier this week when he said by the asifa that the current matzah sakana is linked to internet and it shouldn’t be used even for parnassa or at the expense of monetary loss.

Now everyone is running to hearsay from his talmidim. I guess we hear what we want to hear.

Unnamed talmidim contradicted by R Yitzchok Sorotzkin.

[Jellybelly]

Then I personally would have liked either he or other rabannim to give some actual rationale for why he is the candidate who can accomplish this monumental task other than other rabbonim also say that he is the one who can accomplish it.

That’s not how listening to Daas Torah works.

[WayBackMachine]

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2023/11/flashback-whatthe-vaad-said-about-taxes.html#comment-form

[yawn]

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2023/11/flashback-whatthe-vaad-said-about-taxes.html#comment-form

Hefkervelt has been annoying recently. It's totally his prerogative, but I, and I think most people, go there because it was all news and hock, no opinion. It's like he's been hijacked by Ned Thompson.

[dealfinder11]

Hefkervelt has been annoying recently. It's totally his prerogative, but I, and I think most people, go there because it was all news and hock, no opinion. It's like he's been hijacked by Ned Thompson.

I have absolutely lost respect for them/him over the last few weeks. I get the anti-establishment bias, however, I don't get this blatant disregard for Daas Torah and Rabbonim. This seems like new ground for Hefkervert. If you only listen to Daas torah when it fits with your priors........that is not called listening to Daas torah.

[Jellybelly]

If you only listen to Daas torah when it fits with your priors........that is not called listening to Daas torah.

Right!
Then It’s basically a Hefker velt

[jye]

- Talmidim of Rav Elya Ber shlilta in Lakewood  stand by the statement he gave to them  about the election and the gabbai said last night that the phones were ringing off the hook  the R"Y is not in support of voting for  Avi Schnal or tuition relief




- Lakewood philanthropist and political activist Mr. Rich Roberts  on social media has said he will be voting for Ned Thompson and not for Avi Schnal. despite having meetings with 4 leaders of the community at their requests he said i'm just the dumb baal teshuva i still think we should be a light upon the nations almost all thos rabbonim who signed the paper do not know the issues but did so because of achdus he said I also stayed silent for achdus until today when banners for Avi were hung in the shul this isn't right and smacks of strong arm tactics

Rav Dovid Schustal personally confirmed with Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel that the rumor is false and he never changed his endorsement of Avi Schnall. Pretty sharp words against Roberts, Hefkervelt Et al. as well.

[Jellybelly]

I know it’s been talked about here many times,
But we Really have to figure out how to stop these Robo calls!
It’s not just annoying anymore,
 they’re going against everything we believe in when they go against Daas Torah

[imayid2]

https://open.substack.com/pub/darchecha/p/tried-getting-your-kids-into-a-lakewood

[WayBackMachine]

interesting how the beginning till starting point .39 seconds in is old Google earth view, from a couple of years ago

https://lakewoodalerts.com/investigators-reveal-what-caused-fatal-home-explosion-in-lakewood-video/