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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4200 on: November 28, 2023, 03:13:01 PM »
Last time he spoke to Senator Singer, not he spoke to Senator Cryan:

https://newjerseyglobe.com/judiciary/senator-slams-unethical-behavior-by-nicodemo/

“This ongoing unethical behavior is a pattern, and someone needs to be held accountable,” said State Sen. Joseph Cryan (D-Union).  “The details on the latest Rabbi brief should frighten every New Jersey citizen, and the lack of action from leadership certainly implies the New Jersey’s Office of the Attorney General’s approval.  It’s an underreported scandal.”

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4201 on: November 29, 2023, 12:51:39 AM »
BTW, there was a status conference in the Eisemann case yesterday. The judge asked if there were any more motions planned, and he then asked if they can present them all together so it can save time and he could see them all together. Defense has until mid December to submit motions, then prosecution has till mid January to answer. There won't be rebuttal briefs, and oral arguments on all the motions is scheduled for February 20.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4202 on: November 29, 2023, 12:35:17 PM »
Last time he spoke to Senator Singer, not he spoke to Senator Cryan:

https://newjerseyglobe.com/judiciary/senator-slams-unethical-behavior-by-nicodemo/

“This ongoing unethical behavior is a pattern, and someone needs to be held accountable,” said State Sen. Joseph Cryan (D-Union).  “The details on the latest Rabbi brief should frighten every New Jersey citizen, and the lack of action from leadership certainly implies the New Jersey’s Office of the Attorney General’s approval.  It’s an underreported scandal.”
This has been going on in America for decades.

Whats new?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4203 on: November 29, 2023, 03:06:23 PM »
This has been going on in America for decades.

Whats new?

Besides Rubashkin, when is the last time that the US legal system has been illegally weaponized to single out someone because of his religion?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4204 on: November 29, 2023, 03:44:48 PM »
Besides Rubashkin, when is the last time that the US legal system has been illegally weaponized to single out someone because of his religion?
Every other frum person that ever got in trouble

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4205 on: November 29, 2023, 03:53:28 PM »
Besides Rubashkin, when is the last time that the US legal system has been illegally weaponized to single out someone because of his religion?

What indications are there that this is becuase of his religion?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4206 on: November 29, 2023, 04:20:40 PM »
Besides Rubashkin, when is the last time that the US legal system has been illegally weaponized to single out someone because of his religion?
when they arrested multiple people in Lakewood for Jersey care fraud. Most of the people were totally innocent and their sole proof for some of them was that there was a business registered at that address. Not a single one of the people were ever convicted from all that. They didn't investigate or arrest anyone from another community of a different color that also has many  households on the programs.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4207 on: November 29, 2023, 04:38:03 PM »
when they arrested multiple people in Lakewood for Jersey care fraud. Most of the people were totally innocent and their sole proof for some of them was that there was a business registered at that address. Not a single one of the people were ever convicted from all that.
Didn't many (most?) of them just plead out and repay?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4208 on: November 29, 2023, 07:46:20 PM »
Didn't many (most?) of them just plead out and repay?
Yes, and that doesn't prove anything.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4209 on: November 29, 2023, 07:48:43 PM »
What indications are there that this is becuase of his religion?
It all started from a few articles in the APP and the like, complaining about Lakewood in general and his organization.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4210 on: November 30, 2023, 12:20:06 AM »
Yes, and that doesn't prove anything.
yes, and it's still not
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Not a single one of the people were ever convicted from all that.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4211 on: November 30, 2023, 06:37:10 AM »
It all started from a few articles in the APP and the like, complaining about Lakewood in general and his organization.

Go on... which proves religious bias how?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4212 on: November 30, 2023, 11:46:53 AM »
What indications are there that this is becuase of his religion?

It certainly can be a coincidence that a massive witch hunt on a popular, innocent well known frum man who directs a very well known frum school in an extreme anti semitic environment of Rise Up Ocean County, Toms River Strong etc. had nothing to do with anti semitisim. It could be they just didn't like the look of his nose. But I highly doubt it.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4213 on: November 30, 2023, 01:12:26 PM »
It certainly can be a coincidence that a massive witch hunt on a popular, innocent well known frum man who directs a very well known frum school in an extreme anti semitic environment of Rise Up Ocean County, Toms River Strong etc. had nothing to do with anti semitisim. It could be they just didn't like the look of his nose. But I highly doubt it.

You don't have to convince me about antisemitism. I'm asking if there is any evidence tying the "anti semitic environment of Rise Up Ocean County, Toms River Strong etc" to the prosecutors. If there is anything more than online forum rumors (which I'm inclined to believe in this instance), perhaps it would be possible to get an organization like the ACLU to try sue. Discovery would be mighty intresting if it made it that far.


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4214 on: November 30, 2023, 01:41:11 PM »
You don't have to convince me about antisemitism. I'm asking if there is any evidence tying the "anti semitic environment of Rise Up Ocean County, Toms River Strong etc" to the prosecutors. If there is anything more than online forum rumors (which I'm inclined to believe in this instance), perhaps it would be possible to get an organization like the ACLU to try sue. Discovery would be mighty intresting if it made it that far.

Agreed. And based on what @YitzyS commented below, it seems like the proof may be there.


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4215 on: November 30, 2023, 03:52:49 PM »
Agreed. And based on what @YitzyS commented below, it seems like the proof may be there.
I don't know of any proof linking Eisemann's case to anti-Semitism. There is for sure public anti-Semitism against him, but I don't know of any proof in the AG's office. But that has nothing to do with the fact that they are hounding him relentlessly. It could be their motivation is the fact that his school was costing the state of NJ millions of dollars a year, to educate children that some moral decrepits see as just useless nobodies.

Once a prosecutors is charged with going after someone, it becomes their mission. Any wrongdoing or corruption on their part subsequently is probably more of a pride thing than a bias thing.

(Any proof I know of that shows willful Brady doesn't show anti-Semitism).

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4217 on: November 30, 2023, 05:15:07 PM »
There is absolutely no question in my mind that anti semitisim has played a prominent role here. 

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4218 on: November 30, 2023, 05:54:12 PM »
There is absolutely no question in my mind that anti semitisim has played a prominent role here.
Is that a fact or feeling?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4219 on: November 30, 2023, 07:01:53 PM »
There is absolutely no question in my mind that anti semitisim has played a prominent role here.

And now you can understand all of the college students and anti-Israel protesters. When you come from or are presented with a certain convincing perspective, your mind is locked in that these are the facts and your mind has no doubts.
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