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Laining/Baalei Kria
« on: January 04, 2016, 04:23:23 AM »
I've been surfing the DDF sea for a while now and am yet to find a thread that deals with a topic so close to my heart. Laining is a finely honed art that must be discussed amongst our fellow brethren. I open the floor to those that would like to discuss the following topics:
1) Shinuy Nuschyos; there are many variances amongst different prints of chumashim regarding trop, nekudos, sof aliyos and rarely, spelling.
2) Corrections/mistakes; as a baal koreh for many years there at many times that I come across a mistake that is unfortunately quite common.
3) Halochos/Minhagim; what do you do when you find a mistake on the Torah? What makes the sefer possul? Tallis when you lain? do you use a yad?
4) I'm not sure about this but maybe we can coordinate jobs in shuls if they are available. I know personally that I'm asked many times if I could lain somewhere but I'm already booked. This may be a good place to share those jobs.
5) Stories and anecdotes; interesting places you've lained, interesting Torah's you have lained from.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2016, 04:54:50 AM »
Sounds like a great thread to read and super networking one, too.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2016, 09:14:00 AM »
Nice thread

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2016, 09:35:50 AM »
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If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2016, 09:37:36 AM »
Professional friend looking for steady job in Lakewood (Down the 9/ Pine area). PM me if you know of a Shul looking.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2016, 09:38:23 AM »
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Revi'i in my community vs azla geireish in many others.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2016, 09:46:19 AM »
Great thread. I have been asked many times to take over for someone, but rarely can I do it. And vice versa. I need someone to take over for me occasionally and its never easy finding someone.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2016, 10:03:07 AM »
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2016, 10:40:31 AM »
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These are quite famous but just last week someone corrected me when I said בכל נפלאותי with a קמץ under the ת. In other חומשים it has a פתח. I actually have a list of all of the differences that I've found so far since בראשית. Maybe I'll put it in the wiki.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2016, 10:42:26 AM »
Great thread. I have been asked many times to take over for someone, but rarely can I do it. And vice versa. I need someone to take over for me occasionally and its never easy finding someone.
PM me with your location I know of a friend who has an agency for baalei Kria. He mainly does chabad houses and crown heights shuls, but if it is in walking distance he may be able to help.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2016, 10:46:12 AM »
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43337.msg863012#msg863012
I want to keep this thread serious. It's not in JS and id like to keep it that way. (Btw BH this minhag of כאלה is getting more and more extinct)

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2016, 10:49:28 AM »
These are quite famous but just last week someone corrected me when I said בכל נפלאותי with a קמץ under the ת. In other חומשים it has a פתח. I actually have a list of all of the differences that I've found so far since בראשית. Maybe I'll put it in the wiki.
A friend of mine told me he was once in Torah Vodaas and R Belsky was laining. Someone corrected something which he said differently than in the chumash and he paused, thought for a second, shook his head no and continued without correcting.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2016, 10:55:02 AM »
These are quite famous but just last week someone corrected me when I said בכל נפלאותי with a קמץ under the ת. In other חומשים it has a פתח. I actually have a list of all of the differences that I've found so far since בראשית. Maybe I'll put it in the wiki.
A friend of mine told me he was once in Torah Vodaas and R Belsky was laining. Someone corrected something which he said differently than in the chumash and he paused, thought for a second, shook his head no and continued without correcting.
I wouldn't change it either, AFAIK you're not supposed to go back if there's no difference in meaning, especially if said a Shem after the mistake already. (Same issue like אֶת & אֵתׁ - Es & Eis. Much more prevalent in Chassidish Shuls)
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2016, 11:01:40 AM »
I wouldn't change it either, AFAIK you're not supposed to go back if there's no difference in meaning, especially if said a Shem after the mistake already. (Same issue like אֶת & אֵתׁ - Es & Eis. Much more prevalent in Chassidish Shuls)
My grandfather zol zein gezunt lained for the Rebbe Rayatz and the Rebbe and was told to go back even for a mistake in trop and definitely for a mistake in nekudos.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2016, 11:07:45 AM »
I want to keep this thread serious. It's not in JS and id like to keep it that way. (Btw BH this minhag of כאלה is getting more and more extinct)
it is??
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2016, 11:10:08 AM »
it is??
At least in chabad shuls. And so it should its a minhag shtus that violates halacha, the decorum required during Kria and is disrespectful to the BK.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2016, 11:12:01 AM »
My grandfather zol zein gezunt lained for the Rebbe Rayatz and the Rebbe and was told to go back even for a mistake in trop and definitely for a mistake in nekudos.
Even after shem 'ה

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2016, 11:13:14 AM »
My grandfather zol zein gezunt lained for the Rebbe Rayatz and the Rebbe and was told to go back even for a mistake in trop and definitely for a mistake in nekudos.
I'm talking about Hamon Am, the Lubavither Rebbe probably had a deeper understanding and needed the Leining to be 100%, but the general person that starts screaming for Es and Eis doesn't understand the Peirush of most of the Parsha anyway.
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2016, 12:14:46 PM »
There is a Baal korei in my shul who has a smart practice when he makes a mistake and said Shem H'.
He reads the rest of the posuk quietly to himself so that be read a complete posuk and then he starts laining again from the begining of the posuk.